Apostoic worship??

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So would it be better if we called it the "praise" service than a worship service when people gather to praise the Lord?

I think I see what the others are saying. They're saying that "worship" is primarily living a life of love and obedience. This would include Christian living, prayer, fasting, meditating on the Scriptures, being faithful to gathering, song, psalms, hymns, and perhaps some dancing, clapping, and shouting. But the singing, dancing, clapping, shouting, etc., while demonstrative, don't constitute "worship" all by themselves. In fact, they aren't necessary. Imagine a church under persecution that can't have a large building, choir, loud singing, clapping, dancing, etc. Such saints might gather rather quietly (without the demonstrative worship) by most Pentecostal standards. While those things are nice, it is living a Christian life as an act of worship that truly counts.

That's what I'm taking away from this.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Praise is just a part of worship.

The meeting ought to include many elements of worship: prayer, praise, reading scripture, teaching, prophesying, etc.

Too often meetings are three piece entertainment venues: music, a speech, and a collection of money. Not good.

Ouch. Good point.

[Aquila]

*Regarding the Sabbath.

I have a blended approach. I certainly believe that we are not under the Law. And, I have also voiced how I believe that living a life of love towards others is what truly demonstrates our love for God, not law keeping. So, theologically speaking, we live in Christ, our perpetual Sabbath.

However, I have found that there are sound principles in the Scriptures. The Sabbath is one of them. We live in a very busy and production oriented world wherein we find very little true rest. Our time is eaten up by work, family, obligations, school projects, extra curriculars, etc. The principle of Sabbath teaches us that establishing a time to devote to actual rest and devotion is good for us.

So, I observe the Sabbath more voluntarily so that I might find that personal time of rest and devotion. Not because I believe the Law requires me. Nor do I see Christians who do not observe the Sabbath as sinners.

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Aquila

*Regarding the Sabbath.

I have a blended approach. I certainly believe that we are not under the Law. And, I have also voiced how I believe that living a life of love towards others is what truly demonstrates our love for God, not law keeping. So, theologically speaking, we live in Christ, our perpetual Sabbath.

However, I have found that there are sound principles in the Scriptures. The Sabbath is one of them. We live in a very busy and production oriented world wherein we find very little true rest. Our time is eaten up by work, family, obligations, school projects, extra curriculars, etc. The principle of Sabbath teaches us that establishing a time to devote to actual rest and devotion is good for us.

So, I observe the Sabbath more voluntarily so that I might find that personal time of rest and devotion. Not because I believe the Law requires me. Nor do I see Christians who do not observe the Sabbath as sinners.

Ι like the idea of seperate a day just for me and God. Althouh we all have moments alone with God ,like morning prayer and study ,worship & thanksgiving etc. But i like the idea of a principle like you said . It is a challenge for today busy life!
But i wil never get it out of a personal principle to a required from God law!
Although Sabbath keepers are not like law keepers , it can be a danger because of spiritual disorientation.
Ι place Sabbath keepers in the Romans 14:5 list and i am not aware of them, but when the things go wild we enter to a Galatians 4:10 theme .....and must be treated like Titus 1:10 way

[Michael The Disciple]

[QUOTE=Aquila;1516510]I think I see what the others are saying. They're saying that "worship" is primarily living a life of love and obedience. This would include Christian living, prayer, fasting, meditating on the Scriptures, being faithful to gathering, song, psalms, hymns, and perhaps some dancing, clapping, and shouting. But the singing, dancing, clapping, shouting, etc., while demonstrative, don't constitute "worship" all by themselves. In fact, they aren't necessary. Imagine a church under persecution that can't have a large building, choir, loud singing, clapping, dancing, etc. Such saints might gather rather quietly (without the demonstrative worship) by most Pentecostal standards. While those things are nice, it is living a Christian life as an act of worship that truly counts.



Well I have never thought that "worship" excludes a life of serving God. Ever.

However I think some just love a good argument.

Worship is defined by Strongs a "kiss" or "like a dog licking his masters hand".

All the things people have thrown against that are covered in tons of various scriptures.

Jesus likes to be worshiped.

Various scriptures speak of SERVING....AND...... WORSHIPING...GOD.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Worship is defined by Strongs a "kiss" or "like a dog licking his masters hand".

All the things people have thrown against that are covered in tons of various scriptures.

Jesus likes to be worshiped.

Various scriptures speak of SERVING....AND...... WORSHIPING...GOD.

Nobody has thrown anything against Strong's definition in this thread.

Jesus likes to be worshipped. And He told us in Scripture how to do it. So we ought to do it the way He likes, amen? And not just how we feel like worshipping Him.

[Esaias]

Looking at Isaiah 6 and its relevance to the divine service of the church...

1. The seraphim or fiery ones have three pairs of wings. One pair covers their face, expressing humility and abasement in the presence of the All Glorious Jehovah. One pair covers their feet. Comparing this to Ezekiel's visions we can suggest the entire lower body is covered, from the loins to the toes. The feet represent one's lifestyle, actions, one's "walk". The feet are covered suggesting a covering of man's acts or deeds of righteousness so as not to be on display in the throne room. No boasting in our own works. Also that our deeds need a covering (the blood covers us, as the blood stained mercy seat overshadowed by wings). And two wings for flying, suggesting a swiftness to serve and to obey without hesitation.

2. One cried to another the Great Sanctus (echoed by the cherubim in Revelation) "Holy, Holy, Holy is the LORD of hosts..." and the pillars of the doors (Jachin and Boaz, "he will establish" and "fleetness", see 2 Chron 3:17) shuddered and trembled in response. When the sum total of worship = "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord" then the house (church) is shaken (see Acts 4:31).

3. Isaiah was conscious of his failings, and confessed them in response to the glory of God. Church is a time and place (not the building, but the meeting of the saints) for one to be aware of and confess to the Lord their inadequacy.

4. One of the fiery beings proclaiming God's HOLINESS brought a burning coal from the altar and purged Isaiah's lips. The HOLINESS of God, the Holy Ghost fire-inspired declaration of and manifestation of the glorious thrice-holy Lord of All, will purge, purify, justify, and sanctify the penitent believer. The fire from the altar of burnt sacrifice purges the lips, as the fire of the Holy Ghost brought to us by the Cross of Jesus anoints us, purifies our heart, and springs out in other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance, and empowers us to speak TRUTH and LIFE.

5. The result of the vision, the proclamation of the glory and holiness of God, the confession of need, the purifying of the Holy Ghost at the altar of sacrifice and entire consecration, all leads to a calling: "Who will go?" Who will go and represent the Heavenly, Divine, Royal Court of God to a world in darkness, rebellion, and sin? The worshippers' response ought to be "I will go, send me."

That's church in a nutshell.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Nobody has thrown anything against Strong's definition in this thread.

Jesus likes to be worshipped. And He told us in Scripture how to do it. So we ought to do it the way He likes, amen? And not just how we feel like worshipping Him.

Like a kiss? A dog licking his masters hand? Affection and adoration.

Most of the things you have cited are NOT called worship.

So who is talking worshiping as WE CHOOSE? That seems to be what you all are doing.

The tons of scriptures you have posted could more accurately be called other things like what scripture says about them

Worship is worship. Adoration toward God. Thats what he wants given in spirit (the heart) and truth.

Its to simple.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

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Most of the things you have cited are NOT called worship.

Never mind.

[Esaias]

Perhaps brother Michael could lay out the Scriptures which show what Biblical, God-pleasing worship looks like?

I've asked this before but got nowhere. Maybe this time we can get someone to bring Bible to the discussion since obviously I don't have a clue what I've been babbling about, I guess I'm just posting random scriptures that have nothing to do with worship?

We await the Scriptural truth to be presented.