Polygamy in the Bible - Page 65

ILG · #**641** 08-14-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

As pointed out before FLAWED LOGIC! You are comparing apples with oranges. Let's get a documentary of the the spouse abuse in America that has been rampant for year and happens under monogamy! Doesn't mean monogamy is bad! According to your logic it is!

This movie isn't even about spousal abuse. Maybe you should watch it.

Aquila · #**642** 08-14-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ILG

If you do some searches on the connection between polygamy and child abuse/wife abuse you will find a lot of material. Those people who are saying that children and women are better off in polygamous families rather than fatherless or husbandless are, once again, all wet. Again, this may be somewhat true in certain cultures, in extreme circumstances, but only to keep people from starving. I might rather starve.

LLG, I really think you’re mistaken. Abraham wasn’t a child abuser. Neither was Jacob, Moses, David, Solomon, or the countless other godly men of the Bible who I could list here. Remember, we’re talking about “biblical polygamy”. Most modern polygamists don’t practice “biblical polygamy”. They’re typically part of a “cult” that has very distorted views of the Bible. And since cultic polygamy is illegal they live in secrecy, this creates a secretive environment that becomes a seedbed for abuse. One cannot compare “cultic polygamy” that we see today to “biblical polygamy”.

Pastor DTSalaz · #**643** 08-14-2008, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Apprehended

After seeing this thread for a long time but not opening it, I asked the wife what she thought about polygamy. She said, "Sure, why not. But what would you do?"

The girl didn't get the point. LOL...

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HA HA Sure she did. Maybe the women need more men to give them a better lifestyle. lol How would the men like that. Taken from the opposite perspective, How many men would you allow your wife to have? Not quite the same from the other side. Huh?

Aquila · #**644** 08-14-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor DTSalaz

HA HA Sure she did. Maybe the women need more men to give them a better lifestyle. lol How would the men like that. Taken from the opposite perspective, How many men would you allow your wife to have? Not quite the same from the other side. Huh?

Now this is moving from a discussion on polygamy to something more akin to polyandry or swinging.

Dora · #**645** 08-14-2008, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

As pointed out before FLAWED LOGIC! You are comparing apples with oranges. Let's get a documentary of the the spouse abuse in America that has been rampant for year and happens under monogamy! Doesn't mean monogamy is bad! According to your logic it is!

OH! Give me a break! From the get-go of this thread we have been emphasizing that we are discussing the MODERN practice of polygamy - not disputing the OT or ancient practice of polygamy used to "be fruitful and multiply" the human population.

We're talking about God's IDEAL here and lining up marriage and the treatment of women as becomes a CHRISTIAN.

If you can't get that...then you are full of HOOEY!!!

LUKE2447 · #**646** 08-14-2008, 07:49 PM

not all have! Also your view does not make what BECOMESa Christian! Polygamy is not any less ideal IMO than monogamy! It depends on the person and individual! Just like anything some people work better in different situations.

Pastor DTSalaz · #**647** 08-14-2008, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Now this is moving from a discussion on polygamy to something more akin to polyandry or swinging.

You already know my position on this. I was just poking a little fun at what apprehended said.

His wife responded to his question of what she thought about polygamy. Sure why not but what would you do?

We have been looking at it from the mans perspective of having many wives. What about a monogamous relationship of a woman having many husbands? I don't think I would like that very much either. I don't think thats Gods position either. I would rather believe what Jesus said to be Gods original intent.

Would it be polyandry or swinging Aquila?

ILG · #**648** 08-15-2008, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Dora

OH! Give me a break! From the get-go of this thread we have been emphasizing that we are discussing the MODERN practice of polygamy - not disputing the OT or ancient practice of polygamy used to "be fruitful and multiply" the human population.

We're talking about God's IDEAL here and lining up marriage and the treatment of women as becomes a CHRISTIAN.

If you can't get that...then you are full of HOOEY!!!

Don't forget, Dora, that in the beginning, when people needed to be fruitful and multiply the MOST.....at the outset in the garden of Eden, that God gave Adam ONE wife. I stand by my original statements that the men here arguing for polygamy are just arguing based on their own fleshly lusts and simply hiding behind what they wish was biblical precedent in support of it.

Luke2447 won't even say that monogamy is ideal. He thinks polygamy is just as good. Ignorance on this list never does cease. Too bad God didn't give Adam Eve, Sally and Bessy. Then he might have a case. But God knew what he was doing. He actually cares about the needs of women rather than run roughshod over them.

LUKE2447 · #**649** 08-15-2008, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ILG

Don't forget, Dora, that in the beginning, when people needed to be fruitful and multiply the MOST.....at the outset in the garden of Eden, that God gave Adam ONE wife. I stand by my original statements that the men here arguing for polygamy are just arguing based on their own fleshly lusts and simply hiding behind what they wish was biblical precedent in support of it.

Luke2447 won't even say that monogamy is ideal. He thinks polygamy is just as good. Ignorance on this list never does cease. Too bad God didn't give Adam Eve, Sally and Bessy. Then he might have a case. But God knew what he was doing. He actually cares about the needs of women rather than run roughshod over them.

I never said ANY are IDEAL it depends on the individual! God did give wives to David so it MUST have been ideal. So don't act like it wasn't God's will or someone forced his hand. Just as God gave Adam his wife and possibly wives according to some Jewish beliefs so did God give David his. Stop trying to make your idea of IDEAL marriage a must when the Bible does not say what is and can only be speculation on your part. Also it is IDEAL that we do many things that we DON'T do but should that are not salvation issues but each does according to there OWN will. Usually women are the majority of ones to make a fuss because in most cases is a matter of pride and lusts of there own flesh. They want there own power and not to have to deal with other women as we all know how those cat fights go.

LUKE2447 · #**650** 08-15-2008, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ILG

Don't forget, Dora, that in the beginning, when people needed to be fruitful and multiply the MOST.....at the outset in the garden of Eden, that God gave Adam ONE wife. I stand by my original statements that the men here arguing for polygamy are just arguing based on their own fleshly lusts and simply hiding behind what they wish was biblical precedent in support of it.

Luke2447 won't even say that monogamy is ideal. He thinks polygamy is just as good. Ignorance on this list never does cease. Too bad God didn't give Adam Eve, Sally and Bessy. Then he might have a case. But God knew what he was doing. He actually cares about the needs of women rather than run roughshod over them.

DORA, See my above comments THAT NOT EVERYONE IS arguing the same point as you!!