Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Hear, all ye people; hearken, O earth, and all that therein is: and let the Lord God be witness against you, the Lord from his HOLY TEMPLE.

So here we have the Lord coming out of His place, which is the Holy Temple. If this is future Sean, then what Temple will be HOLY in the future? God leaves this HOLY temple and attacks the pagan high places.

For, behold, the Lord cometh forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread upon the HIGH PLACES of the earth.

Now verse four is what shag was trying to pry out of you like pulling impacted molars.

And the mountains shall be MOLTEN under him, and the valleys shall be CLEFT, as wax before the fire, and as the waters that are poured down a steep place.

Does this happen in the past at the siege of Lachish (Micah 1:13)? Or somewhere off in the far distant future?

Sean answer my post

[Sean]

This is yet another passage that preterists will not explain in public.

They think this event happened thousands of years ago, and only talk about its' "other" meanings in sealed rooms.

Only the gullible and naive buy their "other' meanings for this passage....




Ezekiel 28:24 And there shall be no more a pricking brier unto the house of Israel, nor any grieving thorn of all that are round about them, that despised them; and they shall know that I am the Lord God.

25 Thus saith the Lord God; When I shall have gathered the house of Israel from the people among whom they are scattered, and shall be sanctified in them in the sight of the heathen, then shall they dwell in their land that I have given to my servant Jacob.

26 And they shall dwell safely therein, and shall build houses, and plant vineyards; yea, they shall dwell with confidence, when I have executed judgments upon all those that despise them round about them; and they shall know that I am the Lord their God.


Attention all preterists.

You say that all O.T. prophecies are fulfilled.

When did this happen?....

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[Sean]

This is yet another passage that preterists will not explain in public.

They think this event happened thousands of years ago, and only talk about its' "other" meanings in sealed rooms.

Only the gullible and naive buy their "other' meanings for this passage....



Joel 3
3 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,

2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.

4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head;

5 Because ye have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried into your temples my goodly pleasant things:

6 The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border.

7 Behold, I will raise them out of the place whither ye have sold them, and will return your recompence upon your own head:

8 And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the Lord hath spoken it.

9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:

10 Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.

11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O Lord.

12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.

13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.

14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.

15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

16 The Lord also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the Lord will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

17 So shall ye know that I am the Lord your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more.

18 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth out of the house of the Lord, and shall water the valley of Shittim.

19 Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land.

20 But Judah shall dwell for ever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation.

21 For I will cleanse their blood that I have not cleansed: for the Lord dwelleth in Zion.



Attention all preterists.

You say that all O.T. prophecies are fulfilled.

When did this happen?.....

[Sean]

This is yet another passage that preterists will not explain in public.

They think this event happened thousands of years ago, and only talk about its' "other" meanings in sealed rooms.

Only the gullible and naive buy their "other' meanings for this passage....




Jer 23:3 And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.

4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the Lord.

5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.

7 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that they shall no more say, The Lord liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

8 But, The Lord liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.....


Attention all preterists.

You say that all O.T. prophecies are fulfilled.

When did this happen?....


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[Sean]

This is yet another passage that preterists will not explain in public.

They think this event happened thousands of years ago, and only talk about its' "other" meanings in sealed rooms.

Only the gullible and naive buy their "other' meanings for this passage....



Jeremiah 30

30 The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying,

2 Thus speaketh the Lord God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.

3 For, lo, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the Lord: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.

4 And these are the words that the Lord spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah.

5 For thus saith the Lord; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace.

6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?

7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.

8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:

9 But they shall serve the Lord their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the Lord; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.

11 For I am with thee, saith the Lord, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.

12 For thus saith the Lord, Thy bruise is incurable, and thy wound is grievous.

13 There is none to plead thy cause, that thou mayest be bound up: thou hast no healing medicines.

14 All thy lovers have forgotten thee; they seek thee not; for I have wounded thee with the wound of an enemy, with the chastisement of a cruel one, for the multitude of thine iniquity; because thy sins were increased.

15 Why criest thou for thine affliction? thy sorrow is incurable for the multitude of thine iniquity: because thy sins were increased, I have done these things unto thee.

16 Therefore all they that devour thee shall be devoured; and all thine adversaries, every one of them, shall go into captivity; and they that spoil thee shall be a spoil, and all that prey upon thee will I give for a prey.

17 For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the Lord; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after.

18 Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob's tents, and have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and the city shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof.

19 And out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them that make merry: and I will multiply them, and they shall not be few; I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small.

20 Their children also shall be as aforetime, and their congregation shall be established before me, and I will punish all that oppress them.

21 And their nobles shall be of themselves, and their governor shall proceed from the midst of them; and I will cause him to draw near, and he shall approach unto me: for who is this that engaged his heart to approach unto me? saith the Lord.

22 And ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

23 Behold, the whirlwind of the Lord goeth forth with fury, a continuing whirlwind: it shall fall with pain upon the head of the wicked.

24 The fierce anger of the Lord shall not return, until he hath done it, and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it.



Attention all preterists.

You say that all O.T. prophecies are fulfilled.

When did this happen?.....

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sean you aren't answering my question. You are shopping for answers which you THINK satisfy your belief. Yet can you explain why you bfirst placed chapter 1 of Micah in 722 BC and then place it in the future? While I see no problem with doing this you first must explain some questions your teaching is creating. What temple is God leaving to destroy pagan worship areas known to the prophet as high places? In verse 13 of chapter 1 of Micah it speaks of a prophecy specifically concerning the city of Lachish? Is this the future or is it in the past? If past how is the prophet relaying that to his listeners? Also in Jeremiah 26:18 the prophet refers back to the prophet Micah in chapter 1 to show that Micah was correct when he said God would leave His sanctuary and destroy the places of paganism in Israel. From what Jeremiah says he believed Micah's words were fulfilled and using them as an example for what would happen during his lifetime.

Sean maybe you should answer my question instead of throwing me your Google searches. Searches which you don't understand or are able to explain.

Sean? I went all they way back pages to see if you ever answered even one of these two posts and you didn't answer? Frankly there is nothing even remotely intelligible from you other than your verbal diarrhea from my last posting to now. You have convinced me that you couldn't have a decent discussion on eschatology even if your soul depended on it, because you most likely don't have a soul. You don't care about souls, because you treat people like garbage. You are trying to win the Preterist? You are trying to convert the thither? You want to prove KJV is the Bible for thee? Sean, if I said it once I said it a thousand times your Bible studies around Stockton must be Gladiator school. Because you have a nervous breakdown when you are opposed with information you can't properly answer.

The only reason I honestly believed you were a child posting smack to grown men on his mother's computer, was because you behave like an immature punk. You were having such a time ripping into Bowas, Elder Blume, and Loren. Some may of thought that you coil of learned something, but I never believed that, I saw you wet a punk from day zero. You no more care about learning unless you are using that new information unless you are starving out some preacher.

Sean like I said before you are done, I compared you with the posters Francis and Joreba, but that was because you were as clueless an obnoxious as they. But that wouldnt be fair to those two posters, because unlike you they knew when they were beat. You are just too messed up spiritually and mentally to notice.

Sean, I know in the past I would tell you to go find a pastor and a church, I don't believe that is possible. I wouldn't do that to a minister or the church family or even you. Because it seems impossible that you could function over a long period of time in a church setting where you may hear things you don't agree with.

Yet, this all is addressing your forum persona. You are most likely the biggest whimp in person. I would hope, but from what I heared you are the same in person as you are here.

So, take some time to answer my post and let's try to have a conversation, unless you want to continue spewing hot excrement all over the thread.

[Sean]

This is yet another passage that preterists will not explain in public.

They think this event happened thousands of years ago, and only talk about its' "other" meanings in sealed rooms.

Only the gullible and naive buy their "other' meanings for this passage....




Jeremiah 31
31 At the same time, saith the Lord, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be my people.

2 Thus saith the Lord, The people which were left of the sword found grace in the wilderness; even Israel, when I went to cause him to rest.

3 The Lord hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

4 Again I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin of Israel: thou shalt again be adorned with thy tabrets, and shalt go forth in the dances of them that make merry.

5 Thou shalt yet plant vines upon the mountains of Samaria: the planters shall plant, and shall eat them as common things.

6 For there shall be a day, that the watchmen upon the mount Ephraim shall cry, Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion unto the Lord our God.

7 For thus saith the Lord; Sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout among the chief of the nations: publish ye, praise ye, and say, O Lord, save thy people, the remnant of Israel.

8 Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the coasts of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child and her that travaileth with child together: a great company shall return thither.

9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.

10 Hear the word of the Lord, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.

11 For the Lord hath redeemed Jacob, and ransomed him from the hand of him that was stronger than he.

12 Therefore they shall come and sing in the height of Zion, and shall flow together to the goodness of the Lord, for wheat, and for wine, and for oil, and for the young of the flock and of the herd: and their soul shall be as a watered garden; and they shall not sorrow any more at all.

13 Then shall the virgin rejoice in the dance, both young men and old together: for I will turn their mourning into joy, and will comfort them, and make them rejoice from their sorrow.

14 And I will satiate the soul of the priests with fatness, and my people shall be satisfied with my goodness, saith the Lord.



Attention all preterists.

You say that all O.T. prophecies are fulfilled.

When did this happen?....
.

[Sean]

This is yet another passage that preterists will not explain in public.

They think this event happened thousands of years ago, and only talk about its' "other" meanings in sealed rooms.

Only the gullible and naive buy their "other' meanings for this passage....



Joel 2
2 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.

4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.

5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.

6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.

7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:

8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.

9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.

10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

11 And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

12 Therefore also now, saith the Lord, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:

13 And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the Lord your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.

14 Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the Lord your God?

15 Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly:

16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.

17 Let the priests, the ministers of the Lord, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O Lord, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?

18 Then will the Lord be jealous for his land, and pity his people.

19 Yea, the Lord will answer and say unto his people, Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil, and ye shall be satisfied therewith: and I will no more make you a reproach among the heathen:

20 But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things.

21 Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the Lord will do great things.

22 Be not afraid, ye beasts of the field: for the pastures of the wilderness do spring, for the tree beareth her fruit, the fig tree and the vine do yield their strength.

23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the Lord your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.

24 And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the vats shall overflow with wine and oil.

25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.

26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the Lord your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.

27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the Lord your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.


Attention all preterists.

You say that all O.T. prophecies are fulfilled.

When did this happen?.....

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Hear, all ye people; hearken, O earth, and all that therein is: and let the Lord God be witness against you, the Lord from his HOLY TEMPLE.

So here we have the Lord coming out of His place, which is the Holy Temple. If this is future Sean, then what Temple will be HOLY in the future? God leaves this HOLY temple and attacks the pagan high places.

For, behold, the Lord cometh forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread upon the HIGH PLACES of the earth.

Now verse four is what shag was trying to pry out of you like pulling impacted molars.

And the mountains shall be MOLTEN under him, and the valleys shall be CLEFT, as wax before the fire, and as the waters that are poured down a steep place.

Does this happen in the past at the siege of Lachish (Micah 1:13)? Or somewhere off in the far distant future?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sean? I went all they way back pages to see if you ever answered even one of these two posts and you didn't answer? Frankly there is nothing even remotely intelligible from you other than your verbal diarrhea from my last posting to now. You have convinced me that you couldn't have a decent discussion on eschatology even if your soul depended on it, because you most likely don't have a soul. You don't care about souls, because you treat people like garbage. You are trying to win the Preterist? You are trying to convert the thither? You want to prove KJV is the Bible for thee? Sean, if I said it once I said it a thousand times your Bible studies around Stockton must be Gladiator school. Because you have a nervous breakdown when you are opposed with information you can't properly answer.

The only reason I honestly believed you were a child posting smack to grown men on his mother's computer, was because you behave like an immature punk. You were having such a time ripping into Bowas, Elder Blume, and Loren. Some may of thought that you coil of learned something, but I never believed that, I saw you wet a punk from day zero. You no more care about learning unless you are using that new information unless you are starving out some preacher.

Sean like I said before you are done, I compared you with the posters Francis and Joreba, but that was because you were as clueless an obnoxious as they. But that wouldnt be fair to those two posters, because unlike you they knew when they were beat. You are just too messed up spiritually and mentally to notice.

Sean, I know in the past I would tell you to go find a pastor and a church, I don't believe that is possible. I wouldn't do that to a minister or the church family or even you. Because it seems impossible that you could function over a long period of time in a church setting where you may hear things you don't agree with.

Yet, this all is addressing your forum persona. You are most likely the biggest whimp in person. I would hope, but from what I heared you are the same in person as you are here.

So, take some time to answer my post and let's try to have a conversation, unless you want to continue spewing hot excrement all over the thread.

Sean, you are just trying to bury the posts?

Answer my questions?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

No I am not going to fall into your trap, other than to say, if you cannot read the spiritual connotations within this chapter from the literal based on the teachings of the apostles in the NT than all my explaining will be wasted.

You speak for all of the sneaky preterists that are greatly ashamed of their interpretation of these passages Loren.

None of them will explain these passages, except in sealed rooms, to their minions.