Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Who gavre them ornaments?

Who created man?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

So it seems the whole jewelry debate hinges on "not with". No supporting commands in it the OT law or elsewhere.

Contrare Monfrare': Deut. 7:25, Ex. 33, Is. 3, I Tim. 2, I Ptr. 3, etc.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by rdp

Who created man?

My question is who gave the devile the ornaments before he fell? God did, so ways those ornaments sinful?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Socialite

I think our friend is definitely shooting from the hip on this one.

He is relying on nothing other than a desire to defend the evil of jewelry to make such ridiculous statements.

He is suggesting Lucifer's jewels weren't permissive or holy PRIOR to his Fall.

There's a lot more that could be said on this one, but I'll just leave it alone and stand amused.

Don't really get the ambiguity here. Will just reaffirm that the devil is not a very good example to appeal to...."amused" indeed!

BTW, The Holy Spirit is the one who pointed out the connection to decorative ornamentation & Lucifer's fall, not me....go argue w/ Him!

Too busy for this non-sense......

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

My question is who gave the devile the ornaments before he fell? God did, so ways those ornaments sinful?

As Jesus did, I answered w/ my own question to provoke thought. Who created man before he fell...therein lies your conundrum.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by rdp

Contrare Monfrare': Deut. 7:25, Ex. 33, Is. 3, I Tim. 2, I Ptr. 3, etc.

Got to go work but will be back to address the scriptures you gave. But for now:




4And when the people heard these evil tidings, they mourned: and no man did put on him his ornaments.

5For the LORD had said unto Moses, Say unto the children of Israel, Ye are a stiffnecked people: I will come up into the midst of thee in a moment, and consume thee: therefore now put off thy ornaments from thee, that I may know what to do unto thee.


This doesn't support no ornaments, it was a time when Israel should have been in mourning. Ornaments/clothing can represents joy/blessing/favor, not something to wear during a mourning time. Even worldly folks don't deck out at a funeral or during tragic times.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by rdp

As Jesus did, I answered w/ my own question to provoke thought. Who created man before he fell...therein lies your conundrum.

So was it sinful for the devil to have those God given ornaments?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Someone tells a young father to "encourage your son with praise, not with gifts". If the young father was rdp he would proceed to never buy his son a birthday, Christmas, wedding, or any other gift, ever again. So strong is the UC rule-based mindset for which all of salvation is tightly bound.

"Beware lest any man spoil you with PHILOSOPHY, after the TRADITIONS OF MEN.....". Nice excercise in Freudian Philosophy RandyWayne, but think I'll stick w/ the Book!

Besides, does one HAVE to obey the biblical teachings on repentance to be saved? Watch that banana peel.....you "legalist." !

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Got to go work but will be back to address the scriptures you gave. But for now:




4And when the people heard these evil tidings, they mourned: and no man did put on him his ornaments.

5For the LORD had said unto Moses, Say unto the children of Israel, Ye are a stiffnecked people: I will come up into the midst of thee in a moment, and consume thee: therefore now PUT OFF [not "on"] THY ORNAMENTS [did you overlook this part?] from thee, that I may know what to do unto thee.


This doesn't support no ornaments, it was a time when Israel should have been in mourning. Ornaments/clothing can represents joy/blessing/favor, not something to wear during a mourning time. Even worldly folks don't deck out at a funeral or during tragic times.

More eisegesis I see...unstated in the text. Man you fella's just don't get it do you? Why tamper w/ God's Word like that? Do you not fear God?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

So was it sinful for the devil to have those God given ornaments?

Was it sinful for God to create mankind? No, but did mankind later fall? Yes! Keep on...you're geting closer!

Gotta' run to work myself...check in next week.