Don't Ask....Don't Tell. Good Policy?

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Well, honestly, I don't even know why I commented on your gender. It doesn't really make any difference to me what gender you are and has nothing to do with the actual discussion.

Other than to get my pronouns correct, it sure doesn't! Which makes me wonder why it has to be such a great mystery.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Other than to get my pronouns correct, it sure doesn't! Which makes me wonder why is has to be such a great mystery.

I think it can make you feel as though you are dealing with a poser. We have so many that log in, you just never know.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I think it can make you feel as though you are dealing with a poser. We have so many that log in, you just never know.

Exactly. And I hate doubting people like that, but it starts to feel like a game.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

False Doctrine, in Paul's words:

Why would Jesus say to "beware of false prophets" if it didn't mean a whole lot? (the next hint is, who do you think the "false prophets" were or represented?)

1 Timothy 1:5-7 "Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm."

1 Timothy 1:19-20 "This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare; Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme."

. 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

1 Timothy 6:20-21 ESV "O Timothy, guard the deposit entrusted to you. Avoid the irreverent babble and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge, for by professing it some have swerved from the faith…."

( Romans 16:17-18) "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple."

Acts 20:28-30 "28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them."

Galatians 1:6-9 "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."

2 Peter 2:1-3 "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not."

1 Timothy 6:3-5 "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself."

2 Thessalonians 2:8-12 "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

Just a few instructions concerning "false doctrine" -- we aren't talking post-trib vs. pre-trib here.

EXACTLY!!!!!

So he says, "DA teaches false doctrine". "Oh, and he's saved with the false doctrine."

Right. When Paul used, "False", he was pretty serious about it.

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by notofworks

EXACTLY!!!!!

So he says, "DA teaches false doctrine". "Oh, and he's saved with the false doctrine."

Right. When Paul used, "False", he was pretty serious about it.

DA is on a slippery slope.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

DA is on a slippery slope.

Then man up and just say it! If you're going to judge his theology, which is a judgment of him, just go for it!!! As one baseball coach said, "Swing hard in case you hit it."

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Then man up and just say it! If you're going to judge his theology, which is a judgment of him, just go for it!!! As one baseball coach said, "Swing hard in case you hit it."

Greasy Grace is not the complete Gospel. I wouldn't go as far as saying it is a damnable heresy. It is a slippery slope. I have heard DA mock the water/spirit doctrine. To me that is dangerous, but I can't judge him on something specific yet.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

Greasy Grace is not the complete Gospel. I wouldn't go as far as saying it is a damnable heresy. It is a slippery slope. I have heard DA mock the water/spirit doctrine. To me that is dangerous, but I can't judge him on something specific yet.

What is "greasy grace" as opposed to "grace?"

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

Greasy Grace is not the complete Gospel. I wouldn't go as far as saying it is a damnable heresy. It is a slippery slope. I have heard DA mock the water/spirit doctrine. To me that is dangerous, but I can't judge him on something specific yet.

First of all, I don't even know what "Greasy Grace" is. It's either grace or it's not. Either, "God saved you by his special favor when you believed" (Eph 2:8 NLT) or He didn't, and needs us to use magical formulas of baptism and expressions of Spiritual gifts in order to be saved.

Stop it with this "slippery slope" stuff. Either something is right or it's wrong. If something is not the "Complete gospel", as you put it, then it's a damnable heresy, right? If it's anything short of what we need for redemption, it's not truth, correct? If DA's "Greasy Grace" isn't everything, and he's presenting it as everything, then it's a damnable heresy.

So stop playing both sides of the fence and say it like it is.

[Socialite]

I actually and sincerely believe the heresy of most 3-step + holiness preachers is as close t damnable as it gets. Adding to their ranks would be the pop culture christianity. What I've learned is that OP theology is not alone. Plenty in AOG and other Pentecostal ranks that mistakenly blend the gospel and moralism into one category.