The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger and the Current Counterfeits - Page 68

Charlie Brown · #**671** 02-24-2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Here is what I have gathered from the 700 posts on this thread.

Daniel believes faith that brings repentance is all that is necessary to save.
But he thinks it would be really terrific if someone would go ahead and get baptized afterwards, and that the Holy Ghost is an unsolicited gift.

That sounds a lot like the PAJC spin said of Goss and the others ...

PP ... really now ...

What!! Goss did not believe that salvation came at repentance??

#**672** 02-24-2007, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I think ... um... PP's on first on your list ... he started that thread ... that's the guy w/o an agenda ... When you're done w/ him ... you come 'round and we'll talk ....

We, PP and I, have already dealt with our issues and got all that straight. I perceive that you and i have done the same. We differ on when the fullness of saving faith is accomplished... I see the repentant individual as a convert but not born again you see them as born again but not in full obedience and definitely not empowered to overcome... but we are in agreement in the presentation of the fullness of the provision that God has made available by his incarnation and subsequent sacrifice on the cross.

It just seems that my dear friend Ron feels it is his job to point out what he sees as an inconsistency in the presentation or posting of anyone who is not PCI or is to his right on any issue.

crakjak · #**673** 02-24-2007, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OneAccord

In carse it was missed, can anyone answer the following....

Of course not , to all!

SDG · #**674** 02-24-2007, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by philjones

We, PP and I, have already dealt with our issues and got all that straight. I perceive that you and i have done the same. We differ on when the fullness of saving faith is accomplished... I see the repentant individual as a convert but not born again you see them as born again but not in full obedience and definitely not empowered to overcome... but we are in agreement in the presentation of the fullness of the provision that God has made available by his incarnation and subsequent sacrifice on the cross.

It just seems that my dear friend Ron feels it is his job to point out what he sees as an inconsistency in the presentation or posting of anyone who is not PCI or is to his right on any issue.

Im glad we're seeing eye to eye ...

Hey Ron ... now YOUR IT.

SDG · #**675** 02-24-2007, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie Brown

What!! Goss did not believe that salvation came at repentance??

Any takers ON THIS ONE??? ... when I say something Charlie hears WAH WAH WAH

Nahum · #**676** 02-24-2007, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Any takers ON THIS ONE??? ... when I say something Charlie hears WAH WAH WAH

Thats what we all hear when you say something!

#**677** 02-24-2007, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Brett Prince

Theo,

I think you and I are understanding ONE thing differently...and that is WHO does the hearing. With tongues, others hear. With God speaking in your heart and mind, YOU hear.

That is what I believe this verse teaches, that if you are born of the Spirit, you, the newborn person, will hear the voice of God, NOT others around you.

Brother Prince,

With tongues, everybody hears. See Acts 2 and See Paul's teachings on the subject in 1 Co 14.

The Spirit gives the utterance during Spiritual Birth to be heard, not to give the heart and mind a secret message. Jesus gives every indication that the voice is heard.

This is the topic Spiritual Birth, but rather it is a sub topic of the New Birth that includes both being born of the water and the Spirit in the 3rd chapter of John. We see both aspects fulfilled in Acts 2 as well as beyond.

We've been discussion the subtopic within the New Birth mostly, but let's not forget the total teaching nor the total fulfillment. God Bless, Theo.

SDG · #**678** 02-24-2007, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Thats what we all hear when you say something!

Sure ... Pig Pen.

Brett Prince · #**679** 02-24-2007, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Theophilus

Brother Prince,

With tongues, everybody hears. See Acts 2 and See Paul's teachings on the subject in 1 Co 14.

The Spirit gives the utterance during Spiritual Birth to be heard, not to give the heart and mind a secret message. Jesus gives every indication that the voice is heard.

This is the topic Spiritual Birth, but rather it is a sub topic of the New Birth that includes both being born of the water and the Spirit in the 3rd chapter of John. We see both aspects fulfilled in Acts 2 as well as beyond.

We've been discussion the subtopic within the New Birth mostly, but let's not forget the total teaching nor the total fulfillment. God Bless, Theo.

Think about how the voice is characterized by Jesus in His teaching here.

To believe what you believe here, you have to introduce these characterizations that you present that are not at all present in the Words of Christ.

You lost me here.

You might have to type more slowly.

I don't think I am adding to or taking away from the passage. I think it is rather simple. I think He is alluding to the concept that His sheep know His voice.

crakjak · #**680** 02-24-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Howard Goss told Carl Ballestero at a camp meeting in Indiana that "even the Baptists will be in the Bride of Christ."

Praise God, I know lotsa Baptists that are in the Bride of Christl