Blacks and the UPCI - Page 7

ManOfWord · #61 12-02-2007, 06:57 PM

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OneAccord · #62 12-02-2007, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ms. LPW

I attend an Apostolic, One God, Jesus Name, predominately white (our drummer and song leader is black and our choir director is a monekyman) church in the heart of a predominately white provice.... and people are getting the Holy Ghost left and right here...
If God wasn't pouring out His Spirit at your church it must have been the racisim he had the problem with... not the doctrine.

Oh I didn't mean to imply people weren't getting the Holy Ghost there or that it was a racist church. By "whites only" I meant only whites attended there at the time. (This was early 70's, South Miami- then, with all the racial tension- thats just the way things were done). I meant I couldn't get the Holy Ghost because of MY racism. And, no, there was nothing wrong with their doctrine (I was just a kid, what did I know about doctrine?). However, I might add this: IF (and, let me repeat, IF) it were a racist church then there would have been something wrong with their doctrine. Something seriously wrong with it. If one harbors racism in his heart, he'd be wrong, whether or not he is baptized correctly. Racial bigotry wasn't my only problem then. My religious bigotry against those who didn't baptize the way I was baptized was wrong as well.

Huh, and I have to ask, could you clarify "monkeyman" for me? Never heard the term.

Sister Alvear · #63 12-02-2007, 06:59 PM

NewWine · #64 12-02-2007, 07:00 PM

Sis LPW: Dan was asking a question and said "if TS is a person of color?" not persons of color. My response was to that. And no, saying "persons of color" is not politically correct in my opinion. There is no other side of anything let alone a coin that I need to see anything from. Well let me be the first to tell you that saying "colored person" is a term or phrase that is used and directed to those that are considered "black". You should refrain from using it; it is not taken nicely and is deemed racist. So you should think before saying it. If you said that to me; my response would not be nice, as it is used by those that are racist. That is not to sound harsh, but that is just the reality of it.

Further down you said "traditions don't change over night. I personally like a clean shaven preacher... something about it. Goatee's.. well... I'll just leave my personal opinion in between my ears for now." In terms of leaving your opinion in between your ears, you should have left your opinion about saying "colored persons" there.

Now some may not like what I have to say; but I'm just telling it like it is. My words may sound harsh but the truth is not always easy to swallow.

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Originally Posted by Ms. LPW

Somehow this thread has taken a sad turn...

But I must say, it's hard as a "white" person to know exactly what to say these days and be politically correct...

I thought Dan saying "persons of color" was being politically correct, I'm sure that's all he was trying to do.

You have to see it from the other side of the coin... I don't have a racist bone in my body and yet I would use the term "black person or colored person" without thinking anything of it.

That said.. Praise Hymn.. I think Thad is right, the facial hair issue isn't like it used to be, although I don't know of any of our licenced preachers who don't stay clean shaven... traditions don't change over night. I personally like a clean shaven preacher... something about it. Goatee's.. well... I'll just leave my personal opinion in between my ears for now.

Our ministers don't wear robes though...

Licenced UPC preachers are also asked not to have a television in their homes... another thing that may change since now they can advertise on them. (someone correct me if I'm wrong and that rule HAS changed already)
Many UPC saints have tv's in their home these days, like you say, hopefully they are all letting the Holy Ghost tell them what they can and can't watch.

So in all your questions, do you mind if I ask you one? Why do you wear robes?

Welcome to AFF.

Sister Alvear · #65 12-02-2007, 07:01 PM

Theophil · #66 12-02-2007, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NewWine

Since all skin contains pigment....all are considered "persons of color".
If by "color" you are referring to African-Americans....as an African-American I find the term "color" to be offensive. Yet, in any case; the comment is not "construed differently". People of all ethnicities make statements that are offensive, even at times against those of the same ethnicity.

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

For NewWine ....

The term people, or, person of color should not be confused w/ the term colored peopled used w/ frequency during Jim Crow era.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colored

"Free Persons of Color"

The term "Free Persons of Colour" first appeared during colonial times (1600-1800s). It was applied to a variety of ethnic people, to include Black, Native American, Portuguese, Sephardic Jews, Greeks, Romanians, Moors, Arabs, Asiatic Indians* and Pakistanis* (*who were here as early as the mid 1600s from England, usually as indentured servants), and varied others including mixed races. The common denominator was skin darker than Northern Europeans. The term "colored" generated from this catagorization, to mainly indicated those of African ancestry, but to include any person of darker complexion.

The term people of color in the United States

It is difficult to discuss this term without the discussions of power and privilege. This term has very different meanings in different countries and contexts. Some find this term as offensive as the term colored, on the grounds that it fixes whites as the benchmark for racial division, fostering an "us versus them" view of race relations. Proponents of the term maintain that that the term minority suffers moreso from these drawbacks; many of its proponents believe that "people of color" refers to an identity borne out of shared struggle. They also support the acknowledgement that those who wield power and who benefit from racial privilege in a racist society, as such proponents[attribution needed] assume the United States to be, are primarily white.

The historical term free people of color refers to people of African descent during slavery who lived in freedom. A related term from the time of slavery is gens de couleur, a French expression that refers to the free descendants of white French colonists and Africans. Because so many of these people had mixed African and European ancestry, they are sometimes labeled mulatto. They are also sometimes referred to as affranchis.

Some struggle to identify with the term, arguing the word color merely refers to level of skin melanin, and so fails to define correctly those who are not noticeably non-white or whose racial background includes both races of white and non-white. It should be further noted that terms such as colored people or people of color are technically misnomers; most white people have color in their skin as well, with the exception of albinos.

The term women of color has been embraced and used to replace the term minority women. Some also prefer the term of color to the term minority because they see the latter as describing a stance of subjugation and objectification.

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Albeit, I accept that some may be uncomfortable w/ the term ...person of color... but it is used even among the most politically liberal.

Having been raised in New York City ... taught in a Junior High School for almost 9 years in the city w/ predominantly West Indian population ... studied in a liberal bastion of the City University ... and having African roots because of the mixture of races on the islands of Puerto Rico and Dominican Republic ... I am confident that the term is in no way POLITICALLY INCORRECT as it is used among those who share a common struggle today.

A picture of my grandmother ...

O.K., O.K, O.K. Bro, Peace be unto thee.