Major Split in the MS District UPC?

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Ha Ha. I was joking about going charismatic. That is not why the church split. But that is the story you will hear.

However, now that we have been out of the UPC for a few months I see more and more that I don't agree with. I am actually working through a lot of guilt because I stayed in for so long. I am just so thankful that my children (2 and 6 months) will not have to grow up in that. We should have been long gone years ago but it is not always easy to take a stand when it is all you know. There is a lot of pressure to conform and then if you do leave you are branded a charismatic. That is why I just accept it and say that I am a charismatic and not try to convince anyone.

If you wear a wedding band and wear short sleeves your a charismatic in MS.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Just a Shepherd

The easiest way to leave the UPCI? Just lose the little brown envelope that comes every three months and you'll be on your way in a hurry.

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

Exactly fellowship by $$$$

It's all about the Benjamins!

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by Discerner

If you wear a wedding band and wear short sleeves your a charismatic in MS.

This amazes me. I went to that church for 27 years and not once heard a message on standards. Most of that church would be considered charismatic unless they came from other UPC churches and had gotten strong teaching.

I played guitar there for the last 10 years and graduated from the church school so I have tons of knowledge about the people and the workings of that church.

There was so much insanity during the services and it got to the point that new converts couldn't be protected from the saints.

[Just a Shepherd]

Originally Posted by pelathais

We don't find capitalism in the NT, nor insurance, nor interest paid on savings and certainly not interest on loans. We really are in a different world than the NT people.

First off, we do find interest on loans in the NT, it's called usury. Nevertheless, none of the things that you mentioned have anything to do with the church which is the Body of Christ.

Originally Posted by pelathais

In their wisdom, the Apostles and our Lord Himself seem to have taken this into consideration when they made allowances for flexibility in the church's structure and operation.

This is a popular but very inaccurate philosophy. "God didn't lay out a specific plan for the New Testament church, therefore we are free to do whatever works best" That is not supported anywhere in scripture. Jesus gave very clear teaching on leadership and structure. Paul was very clear on the structure of the NT church. Nowhere, was there a provision for a central organization to put a stamp of approval on a man's life and then require that man to pay money or lose his approval to preach or be in fellowship.

What a corruption of the New Testament teaching! The most disheartening thing is how many UPC'ers simply don't care what the Bible says beyond one verse in Acts.

[Just a Shepherd]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Excuse me but, are you a minister, pastor, or evangelist?

Why are you asking?

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Just a Shepherd

Why are you asking?

Why are you not telling?

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by COOPER

It's all about the Benjamins!

Not any more than all musicians are losers who cannot hold a day job.

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

This amazes me. I went to that church for 27 years and not once heard a message on standards. Most of that church would be considered charismatic unless they came from other UPC churches and had gotten strong teaching.

I played guitar there for the last 10 years and graduated from the church school so I have tons of knowledge about the people and the workings of that church.

There was so much insanity during the services and it got to the point that new converts couldn't be protected from the saints.

well there's your problem right there.............GUITAR!!!! How dare you bring that devil stick into the house of God????? You can't glorify God on that thing!

[Just a Shepherd]

Originally Posted by lovinglife

In that case EVERY church organization is wrong because nearly 99.9999999 percent of them require for you to pay dues to PASTOR or be an evangelist.......but you do not have to be "licensed to preach" even as an independant dont you have to pay there as well to the state....you are right you never see that in the bible just like you never see them giving baptism certificates......and yes i am being sarcastic...if you arent paying dues to the UPC ALJC PAW or whatever you are paying them to the federal government on an independants license......

Your statement that I bolded is correct. There is no biblical authorization for any organization beyond the local church assembly and the governing of that local assembly.

AS for the rest of your statement, you are right that a person is not bound to be in an organization but that doesn't stop many Pentecostals from trusting in a man made organization to tell them who is approved and who is not. Even though one is free to work outside the bounds of organization, that doesn't make the organization OK.

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

Not any more than all musicians are losers who cannot hold a day job.

you should quit beating around the bush BOOM.