Fooled by Barak Hussein Obama

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Esther

Prax I think you are missing our concerns here. Don't judge him by your own actions. You may have a valid reason to not want to wear the flag, but hopefully you don't want to burn the flag. And MY opinion of Obama, I'm not sure he wouldn't be just as happy to burn our flag.

That is a great example of subjectiveness,

There are PLENTY OF OBJECTIVE reasons to NOT vote for the man than our subjective feelings that he would want to burn our own flag.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That is a great example of subjectiveness,

There are PLENTY OF OBJECTIVE reasons to NOT vote for the man than our subjective feelings that he would want to burn our own flag.

I agree, but to ME that is high on my list of someone wanting to hold the highest office of our land yet refusing to salute the flag or even wear it???

NOT for ME!!!

I don't trust the man, period!

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That is almost oxymoronic.
Objective
not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion.

Truth is factual and based on facts. It is NOT subjective or subject to the whims of personal feelings.

You can't deal in factual truth and NOT be objective but be subjective.

Really?
Prax, before you give me a lecture on what the word subjectivity means [especially as contrasted with objectivity], you might want to become aware of what it actually means.

You state that objective mean "based on the facts"... as if to imply that subjective means "not based on the facts. That is fallacious logic to say the least. Yes, objectivity means based solely on facts. But subjectivity does not necessarily mean the facts are not taken into account. Subjectivity can involve a person's personal interpretation of the facts, or personal observation of those facts. An example of this would be a boxing judge who scores the match based on his personal observation, even though the judge sitting beside him might look at the same facts in front of them, but judge it differently. On the contrary, a sport like track athletics would be administered objectively, since the runners win, lose, or place based on their time, a simple empirical measurement, rather than on the judgement (subjectivity) of individual judges. Thus, boxing, (like figure skating, synchronized swimming, and quite a few others) is a sport that can not be judged 100% "objectively" because it is always subject to personal interpretation of the judges.

Its the same with the 'game' of politics . We all have personal biases, which play into our interpretation of what we see. Total objectivity is desirable, but not always possible. Subjectivity is a natural part (and a big part), of the process.

Thus, your statement that "a person can not deal with factual truth and NOT be objective, but be subjective" totally flies in the face of the facts.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

You want to be OBJECTIVE and decide Obama is not the right candidate based on FACTS. And there ARE facts as I said some REAL facts that are WORTH considering.

Same point as above. A computer can mechanically analyzing facts and figures, and that's all that's needed. But any individual making decisions regarding political candidates, personal interpretation will invariably come into play; thus.. subjectivity.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Just because I say this is a polemic and that the issue of the pin and the anthem are non issues does NOT make me for Obama or a liberal.

Ok... so you think the flag pin thing is a non-issue. Other people might think its an issue, which speaks regarding his judgment. If some people want to consider it an issue, why not let them decide for themselves if its a "non-issue" or not?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Really?
Subjectivity can involve a person's personal interpretation of the facts, or personal observation of those facts. An example of this would be a boxing judge who scores the match based on his personal observation, even though the judge sitting beside him might look at the same facts in front of them, but judge it differently. On the contrary, a sport like track athletics would be administered objectively, since the runners win, lose, or place based on their time, a simple empirical measurement, rather than on the judgement (subjectivity) of individual judges. Thus, boxing, (like figure skating, synchronized swimming, and quite a few others) is a sport that can not be judged 100% "objectively" because it is always subject to personal interpretation of the judges.

Its the same with the 'game' of politics . We all have personal biases, which play into our interpretation of what we see. Total objectivity is desirable, but not always possible. Subjectivity is a natural part (and a big part), of the process.

Thus, your statement that "a person can not deal with factual truth and NOT be objective, but be subjective" totally flies in the face of the facts.

Same point as above. A computer can mechanically analyzing facts and figures, and that's all that's needed. But any individual making decisions regarding political candidates, personal interpretation will invariably come into play; thus.. subjectivity.


Ok... so you think the flag pin thing is a non-issue. Other people might think its an issue, which speaks regarding his judgment. If some people want to consider it an issue, why not let them decide for themselves if its a "non-issue" or not?

Here is a good example of Objectivity and Subjectivity
In philosophy, an objective fact means a truth that remains true everywhere, independently of human thought or feelings. For instance, it is true always and everywhere that '2 and 2 make 4'. A subjective fact is a truth that is only true in certain times, places or people. For instance, 'That painting is good' may be true for someone who likes it, but it is not necessarily true that it is a good painting pure and simple, and remains so always no matter what people think of it. If the painting could claim this, someone who thought the painting was bad would be completely wrong, in the same way someone who says the sun goes around the earth is wrong. So the reliability of mathematics is an objective truth, whereas the beauty of paintings is probably a subjective one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivity_(philosophy)

Subjectivity
Subjectivity refers to a subject's perspective, particularly feelings, beliefs, and desires. It is often used casually to refer to unjustified personal opinions, in contrast to knowledge and justified belief. In philosophy, the term is often contrasted with objectivity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjectivity

And on the flag thing...why not let them decide for themselves? IS this not a discussion? I can have an opinion too just like you. Why not let me have mine then?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Esther

I agree, but to ME that is high on my list of someone wanting to hold the highest office of our land yet refusing to salute the flag or even wear it???

NOT for ME!!!

I don't trust the man, period!

I don't trust him either, but for better reasons than he won't make a fashion statement about patriotism

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

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It reminds me of the Christians that have to wear a cross just so you know they are true Christians....there are a lot of crips and bloods in LA that wear them too...despite selling drugs, robbing people and killing people.

Jesus told us how His true followers are identified in John 13:35.

[Sam]

Well, let's hope he learns how many states there are some time before he becomes President.

check out
http://www.mightyrighty.com/forum/sh...17&postcount=3

[Sam]

speaking of propaganda, have y'all seen this?

[Sam]

or have y'all seen this?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sam

Well, let's hope he learns how many states there are some time before he becomes President.

check out
http://www.mightyrighty.com/forum/sh...17&postcount=3

lol....