The UPC is going to more emphasis on holiness !!!

[SDG]

Originally Posted by El Predicador

Would you even recognize a Jezebel in your church?

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! Would she stand out or blend in.

What made Jezebel stand out or blend in my preacher friends?

Fixing herself up like most of the women in this region did during the historical time period ... as they do today

....or what is it her evil attitude?

You and I both know it was the latter.

Was it her brushing her hair and her painting herself that brought judgment to her and her house?

The term Jezebel, equated w/ being a temptress, in our Western culture has the same stigma the Doubting Thomas has. Both labels however are misnomers and do not fairly characterize these personages.

I submit that there women and men in America's churches that have the Spirit of Jezebel and has little to do w/ their use of cosmetics ... nor are these the tell-tale signs of their evil attitudes.

There are plenty of Oneness women, and Baptist women, (and men for that matter) ....

sitting in the pews Holiness churches that preach against makeup that have this Jezebel spirit ... and it has nothing to do w/ cosmetics ...

nor the skin matching blush, foundation the women are wearing or the light eyeliner or lipstick they carefully and secretly put on as to make it look natural.

Just as there are some who go to liberal churches who have it caked on like Tammy Fayes ... who have this spirit.

The true marker that distinguishes whether a Jezebel either stands out or blends in your very church would be if they practiced the rebellious, idolatrous and immoral sins she engaged in.

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Let's go to the bible archives ... shall we???
... rather than our manuals:

Jezebel was a deceitful woman and idolatrous who uses her husband and later her sons to gain and retain power over Israel. In addition to instituting the worship of her pagan god in Israel and causing temples to be built in his honor, Jezebel is responsible for the execution of many prophets of Jehovah, the God of the Jewish people she rules. After Jezebel engineers the death of a man named Naboth and his sons by wrongly accusing them of treason, so that Ahab may take possession of their vineyard, the prophet Elijah prophesies Jezebel's violent death.


Jezebel survives both Ahab and her elder son, Ahaziah, as queen. Her younger son, Joram, succeeds to the throne, but is killed by Jehu, who thereafter becomes king of Israel. During the revolt led by Jehu, Jezebel is also killed, fulfilling Elijah's prophecy. She is pushed out of her window and her corpse is eaten by dogs.

http://www.wisegeek.com/who-is-jezebel.htm

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Jezebel is usually associated with clothes, makeup, seduction ... that's a superficial skin deep approach to a deeper and more serious issue.

The deeper truth is her spiritual deception. Both men and women that want control over a church, congregation can operate with a Jezebel spirit. The spirit of Jezebel is genderless ... my preacher friends.

A Jezebel spirit is one who inappropriately through hostile measures takes possession of God-ordained positions of authority. He/She is manipulative, conniving & uses intimidation (threats, speaks spells ) to dominate and control people.

The spirit of Jezebel is a lustful spirit, she lusts after the worship of self and the gods of this world. She hates the prophetic voice of God and will try and silence God's prophets.

And this spirit can come in the form of some the holiest looking people we know. Even an 80 year old saint of a woman dressed in Holiness garb.

The flawed thinking your paradigm shows that if that 80 year old woman puts on lipstick, ... she must want to seduce someone and therefore is a Jezebel ... GIVE US BREAK!!!!!

It's a faulty cause and effect relationship that does not examine the root.

One writer states:

Sin by association is not necessarily sin at all.

Let's suppose it was written about Jezebel: "And when Jehu was come to
Jezreel, Jezebel heard of it; and she put on her wonder bra, red
panty hose and shiny black patented leather high heeled shoes,
together with her silk yellow dress. And combing her hair loose
so it hung to her waste, she looked out at a window." Would this make wonder bras sin per se? Would silk yellow dresses become a sin to wear?

How about black patented shoes or having a brushed head of
hair loose to the waist, would they be sin also?

What if it had been written that Jezebel perfumed herself
and put on a pearl necklace, would that nullify the verses where
such are used in a good sense, and so become sin for all women to use perfume or a necklace?

Back to Woodrow:

" .......Camphire, mentioned in the Song of Solomon(1:14;
4:13) and identified as henna (Strong's Concordance, #3724),
provided a much used reddish-orange dye. Concerning this, the
Encyclopedia Judaica (Vol.8, p. 327) says: 'Throughout the ages the peoples of the East prized this beautiful, fast dye which was used for dying the hair and nails.'

Henna was also used on the palms of the hands and soles of
the feet.

Considering how well-known and how widely used these various forms of make-up were in the land of the Bible, if God was against its use, why is it nowhere stated in the Bible?
How true is the statement:

'Man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart' (1 Samuel 16:7)!

http://www.keithhunt.com/Makeup3.html


Lastly the Jezebel of the bible ... including the one, an alluring prophetess, that John writes of in Revelation is not directly associated w/ sexual promiscuity per se ... although, of course, sexual perversion was always part of pagan worship ...

Her seduction was a spiritual one ... one that sought to seduce the king of Israel and the people of God away from the Holy One of Israel.

so to answer your question ... can I recognize one in my church ... I'd hope so before she or he brings irreparable damage to the congregation ... but it wouldn't be because of his or her cosmetics but it would be THE ATTITUDE.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by NLYP

Edited by Admin
Admin.... Ban me if you like....Its how I feel!

Notice NO Smiley .

This is what you call Holiness, Dan?

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

This is what you call Holiness, Dan?

Bet you didn't even notice that someone defended you. You immediately jumped on the stuff that can stir more stink.

Now my feelings are hurt and I may never come to your defense again.

[SDG]

I think the premise that if a woman is wearing some form of makeup she is a prostitute and not a child of God washed by the blood of the Lamb is offensive and tramples on the children of the Most High and His sacrifice.

It also condemns a great majority of women ... in the organization including preachers wives whose purses are filled w/ Estee Lauder, Looreal, Avon and Mary Kay cosmetics in their purses.

[Brother Price]

Originally Posted by NLYP

Edited by Admin
Notice NO Smiley.

Thank God for deliverance from this hateful spirit that makes one think they are better than everyone else. This is a case of demonic spirit showing itself. And yes, I believe legalism is a demonic spirit.

Notice I did not state standards, but legalism, before anyone jumps my gun.

NLYP, you need to seriously find an altar, pray through, repent, and find Christ. from this post, you seriously need some deliverance.

You would keep standards, but you deny Christ in your attitude. So, for this brief moment, let the old BP come back and say this.

You need to repent, lest from the Lake Of Fire you find your portion.

OK, nuff said.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I think the premise that if a woman is wearing some form of makeup she is a prostitute and not a child of God washed by the blood of the Lamb is offensive and tramples on the children of the Most High.

It also condemns a great majority of women ... in the organization including preachers wives whose purses are filled w/ Estee Lauder, Looreal, Avon and Mary Kay cosmetics in their purses.

Daniel,
I would have prefered that you would have read the article, firsthand, and then critiqued it from there. That's a more intelligent way to do it and the more responsible.

I voted "YES" remember!

[Brother Price]

I am sorry, but the spirit of Jezebel can be in women in the liberal movement, as well as those in the conservative movement. Any woman who seeks dominance and control of every individual, and leads a soul from God to some idol is a Jezebel. I have known several, and even ran into one recently at a funeral.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Daniel,
I would have prefered that you would have read the article, firsthand, and then critiqued it from there. That's a more intelligent way to do it and the more responsible.

I voted "YES" remember!

Who says I was critiquing an article ... you and I have been around Pentecost long enough to know that often ... even if that's not what this article is about ... that cosmetics are equated automatically w/ prostitution and Jezebel.

As evident in the two posts posed by Holiness preachers as to whether or not I could distinguish a Jezebel in my church.

So it is not a stretch to continue this discussion intelligently based on the doctrines espoused by many Holiness preachers and how they manipulate the word "prostitute" and "Jezebel".

[SDG]

Originally Posted by jaxfam6

Bet you didn't even notice that someone defended you. You immediately jumped on the stuff that can stir more stink.

Now my feelings are hurt and I may never come to your defense again.

Thank you Jax for your kind words.

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Thank you Jax for your kind words.

Boy you saved yourself there. I was ready to really have a sob party and get a petition together and have you banished to outer darkness, you know we righteous folk have that power.