Do you have HALF A BRAIN CELL?

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Cue in WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS!!!!

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Keep this thread alive!!!!!

[stmatthew]

I voted no, but with the ever increasing move to the more liberal side (doctrinally and standards wise), I could be wrong.

[LadyCoonskinner]

I voted "NO" because I do not believe that the majority of the "family" believes the core of the Apostolic doctrine. They've been apart of it at one time, came in contact with it, and chose to "walk away" from it and not embrace it anymore as "COMPLETE" and by that I mean, not to start a fight or anything, like a buffet. Well, I don't like this, so I don't think I'll "take any of that" and I don't like, or I really like this and I'll have a lot of it.

They would like to be called "Apostolic", but it's not "acceptable" anymore to believe the "old paths". Times change, people change. We don't have to accept what the pastor preaches as "GOD'S word", it's man made doctrine. He's just preaching what HE believes, but that doesn't mean that I have to believe the same way.

I believe that all the people on this forum love God, but they are not truly happy anywhere or really don't "fit in" anywhere else, because they have been exposed to the REAL POWER OF GOD and when you are exposed to what God truly has to offer, you'll never be truly and completely satisfied anywhere else.

That is my opinion. I enjoy being a part of this "family", but I don't believe that AFF is truly representative of Apostolica.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I voted no, but with the ever increasing move to the more liberal side (doctrinally and standards wise), I could be wrong.

Ths sky is falling, the sky is falling!

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by LadyCoonskinner

I voted "NO" because I do not believe that the majority of the "family" believes the core of the Apostolic doctrine. They've been apart of it at one time, came in contact with it, and chose to "walk away" from it and not embrace it anymore as "COMPLETE" and by that I mean, not to start a fight or anything, like a buffet. Well, I don't like this, so I don't think I'll "take any of that" and I don't like, or I really like this and I'll have a lot of it.

They would like to be called "Apostolic", but it's not "acceptable" anymore to believe the "old paths". Times change, people change. We don't have to accept what the pastor preaches as "GOD'S word", it's man made doctrine. He's just preaching what HE believes, but that doesn't mean that I have to believe the same way.

I believe that all the people on this forum love God, but they are not truly happy anywhere or really don't "fit in" anywhere else, because they have been exposed to the REAL POWER OF GOD and when you are exposed to what God truly has to offer, you'll never be truly and completely satisfied anywhere else.

That is my opinion. I enjoy being a part of this "family", but I don't believe that AFF is truly representative of Apostolica.

Wow, this is quite the broad brush, LCS! Does this include everyone on the forum, or are you referring to those who have left standards?

In either case, I think this is what you want to believe, because like most conservative Apostolics, you don't know what else to chalk it up to when someone leaves the UPC, or let me say, conservative groups and go more "liberal". The old adage is that "one can never be truly happy if they leave the fold". Well, I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but some of us are happier now than we've ever been!

And, as far as picking and choosing, every UPC member that I know is guilty of that. The manual says that we "avoid wordly entertainment", but some go to amusement parks, some go to ball games, some hunt, fish, golf, but EVERYONE engages in some type of worldly entertainment.

The manual says no television, and VCRs should only be used for educational purposes, but some watch Little House on the Prairie, and others watch Ace Ventura. I'm sure a few folks adhere to the manual religiously, but the majority bend the rules a bit.

But, it's ok, it's socially acceptable. We can laugh it off.

That we can deal with, but when someone challenges our standards and walks away from them, the only thing we can think to do is pronounce gloom and doom and eternal unhappiness on them.



Now as far as AFF representing Apostolica, I may agree that the things you hear on AFF are a bit more extreme than you'll hear being discussed in the hallways of General Conference, but that's only because here there is a cloak of anonymity. People can be a bit more honest, at least until their true identities are revealed, and other pastors and ministers begin to caution them against taking part in the "evil AFF" discussions.

But overall, I have friends who may wear the conservative cloak in public, but reveal a far more liberal side in private, and then I have friends who are as extreme right in private as they are in public. Very much the same as it is here on AFF!

Sorry for my rambling, and please don't take this personally, LCS.

[Sister Alvear]

What would the majority consider the word Apostolic to mean?

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

What would the majority consider the word Apostolic to mean?

Excellent question, Mother Alvear! Therein lies the rub.........I anxiously await the responses.

[Sister Alvear]

Yes, it will be a interesting read...blessings to you, my friend.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

What would the majority consider the word Apostolic to mean?

From our rules - I still believe it is a good definition of Apostolic.

Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:

Those that believe that every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith
with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.

And some more reading here:

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ning+Apostolic