More Employee Layoffs at PPH

[edjen01]

They probably would save some $$....but not as much as one would think...because I imagine they get a lot of stuff(rooms/halls/etc..) as comps. Besides...if they did that...they couldn't raise dues could they.

[Theresa]

Originally Posted by edjen01

They probably would save some $$....but not as much as one would think...because I imagine they get a lot of stuff(rooms/halls/etc..) as comps. Besides...if they did that...they couldn't raise dues could they.

they could save a LOT if they had it here - the folks that work it could stay at home rather than in a hotel for 7-10 days - Truckload freight to GC isnt cheap and I belive they send 5 or more trucks....

Meetings could be held at the larger churches in the area and services at the convention center here...they wouldnt need the exhibit halls and such. Utilize the facilities they have at their disposal in this area already.

[edjen01]

I don't think there is a UPCI church in that area big enough to hold these meetings.

And I think they want to stay away from the whole Vatican, Mecca, St.Louis comparisons.

[Theresa]

Originally Posted by edjen01

I don't think there is a UPCI church in that area big enough to hold these meetings.

And I think they want to stay away from the whole Vatican, Mecca, St.Louis comparisons.

the ministers meetings could easily be held at Sanctuary.


They could have services at the convention center.

[tstew]

Lord, I think that a lot of this simply points back to the simple reality that in this day and time, you do not need a full-time staff to do those things that the original post said these people had been doing in years past. It is an archaic position in the times of internet ordering and computer tracking and management of orders. Then you have to factor in all of the other tough economic situations facing our country and by extension almost every organization. Most of the people on here who are complaining about a lack of willingness to cut in other areas are probably not even in a position to have insight as to what other areas have had to be tightened as a result of this.

[edjen01]

How many will Sanctuary seat? This year was a down attendance year at GC and there was still 1000 voting members.

[tstew]

Originally Posted by Theresa

the ministers meetings could easily be held at Sanctuary.


They could have services at the convention center.

It's not only the "big shots" who look at GC as a time of vacation. Many of the general members also do. It is not just coincidence that the cities that are more attractive as vacation spots usually have higher attendance. I'm not sure that the people would want to go to the same city every year.

[Theresa]

Originally Posted by tstew

Lord, I think that a lot of this simply points back to the simple reality that in this day and time, you do not need a full-time staff to do those things that the original post said these people had been doing in years past. It is an archaic position in the times of internet ordering and computer tracking and management of orders. Then you have to factor in all of the other tough economic situations facing our country and by extension almost every organization. Most of the people on here who are complaining about a lack of willingness to cut in other areas are probably not even in a position to have insight as to what other areas have had to be tightened as a result of this.

if the job can be outsourced, it should be kept in house. This is a ministry of WEC - not amazon.com

they have the facilities and the equipment to do the job themselves, they should continue to do so before paying someone who is not a viable member of their own churches for the same tasks.

They can make profitable cuts elsewhere.

[edjen01]

tstew.....correct.

I'm sure the wagon wheel maker didn't like seeing the car gain in popularity. Time to change.

[Theresa]

Originally Posted by tstew

It's not only the "big shots" who look at GC as a time of vacation. Many of the general members also do. It is not just coincidence that the cities that are more attractive as vacation spots usually have higher attendance. I'm not sure that the people would want to go to the same city every year.

I dont dispute that - but as long as GC operates in the red they should consider making necessary cutbacks, if only temporarily, to alleviate the financial strain.

I'm sure these 13 people, who always travel to GC to work it, would be willing to miss a couple of out of town conferences to keep their jobs. Its not a vacation for them - its work.

Its about making the best decision for the current economic crisis. And there is an economic crisis. No one says they have to have GC locally all the time, forever even. But they could save serious money if they would have it locally or cut it back to every other year....till the finances straighten out.

it doesnt make sense to have mass layoffs (which they have already done once this year) then have a conference that operated in the RED only to come home and lay off more people to save 80K.