Which is why Christians should not have voted for him.
Mike, a lot of Christians resent their morals being exploited in this way and are disillusioned with the GOP at this point. As it relates to these specific moral issues, many have come to realize that there will not be a substantive difference no matter how they vote. The same song is not producing the same dance two generations later. I can appreciate that there is a part of our society that deeply feels that a vote for Republicans is a vote for Righteousness. Earlier in my life I may have fallen into that catgory, but I've been trying to say that that tactic is no longer finding the success that it used to have because the lack of firm results and specific promises speaks louder.
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They had control of the House and Senate for 6 years.
There is no try.
There is "do" and "didn't do".
I'm telling you, the GOP is filled with MANIPULATORS, waving the abortion carrot in your face to keep you coming back every time.
The only thing more uglier than a senseless murder is a man or woman who uses that death for political gain!
That is EXACTLY what the GOP does!
So do the Democrats-- only their carrot is something else, waved in the face of others who vote with emotion over their senses, at times.
Bro, you do understand that the president and/or congress cannot outlaw abortion unless the SC rules that R v. W is unconstitutional. W. Bush appointed two very conservative justices. We need one more. Stevens has been holding out. The guy is like 90 years old. Guess what he's waiting for? A DEMOCRAT. Now what would make him wait to retire after a Dem is elected? Let's take a wild stab in the dark.
The only way libs can keep abortion legal is to get legislation frorom the bench. You could have Republicans in power til Jesus comes, and if there aren't conservative, constitutional constructionist justices on the SC, those 5 liberal justices will keep the baby murderers legal.
The only thing an executive or legislator can do is restrict abortions. During the first 6 yrs of the Bush admin, they eliminated funding for abortions overseas, they restricted partial birth abortions, etc. It was not manipulation, they tried to do what they could, but the SC holds the keys to the car here.
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Obama can say right up front he will appoint justices who will protect R v. W and nothing will be said or done. If Mac had said that he would require his appointees to commit to overturning R v. W the East Coast media, the Hollywood celebs, the women's groups, and college campuses would've churned out hit pieces, feature films, spokespersons and marches on Washington. He did say he would appoint strict, constructionist justices in the tradition of Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Roberts. Reasonable Republicans can figure that out. In addition Mac's voting record is highly pro-life.
There was no empty rhetoric coming from Mac, he would've assured a conservative majority on the court. But his election probably would have Stevens holding out another 4 years.
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When a newspaper posed the question, "What's Wrong with the World?" G. K. Chesterton reputedly wrote a brief letter in response: "Dear Sirs: I am. Sincerely Yours, G. K. Chesterton." That is the attitude of someone who has grasped the message of Jesus.
Obama can say right up front he will appoint justices who will protect R v. W and nothing will be said or done. If Mac had said that he would require his appointees to commit to overturning R v. W the East Coast media, the Hollywood celebs, the women's groups, and college campuses would've churned out hit pieces, feature films, spokespersons and marches on Washington. He did say he would appoint strict, constructionist justices in the tradition of Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Roberts. Reasonable Republicans can figure that out. In addition Mac's voting record is highly pro-life.
There was no empty rhetoric coming from Mac, he would've assured a conservative majority on the court. But his election probably would have Stevens holding out another 4 years.
DB, those groups that you listed do not represent the clear majority of Americans. I believe that the only way the GOP is going to convince the majority of us that they are now willing to go beyond simple rhetoric in these moral issues, is to finally make some promises up front that we can buy into. All we get is explanations from their apologists after the fact. Reasonable Republicans are starting to recognize that the GOP has not been as committed after elections as they have been during elections... and that they are not willing to promise some things that would lead us to believe that it will be any different in the future.
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ABORTION is a scourge on our society, to bad we have come to the place where we are over protecting animals but dont care about the little ones, what a shame, dt
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ABORTION is a scourge on our society, to bad we have come to the place where we are over protecting animals but dont care about the little ones, what a shame, dt
DB, those groups that you listed do not represent the clear majority of Americans. I believe that the only way the GOP is going to convince the majority of us that they are now willing to go beyond simple rhetoric in these moral issues, is to finally make some promises up front that we can buy into. All we get is explanations from their apologists after the fact. Reasonable Republicans are starting to recognize that the GOP has not been as committed after elections as they have been during elections... and that they are not willing to promise some things that would lead us to believe that it will be any different in the future.
Stew,
How can anyone promise to end abortion when the past 35 years have proven that legislation to end it is overturned by the courts? A promise to appoint Roberts/Alito/Thomas/Scalia-type justices is a promise to do all one can as a president to end abortions. The GOP banned partal birth abortions during this administration. GOP lawmakers and governors are trying to restrict it in various parts of the country. Incrementally abortion is being restricted b/c anytime a straight up anti-abortion bill is passed nationally or statewide, the courts declare it unconstitutional.
Same with same-sex marriage. All a candidate can promise is to support a constitutional amendment. The courts take over these moral/social issues and by judicial activism dominate its outcome versus the will of the people.
No one can make good on a promise that is out of their hands once in office. They can promise to appoint conservative justices however.
Again the GOP is less than 100% on appointing conservative justices to the SC. The Dems are perfect nominating pro-abortion ones. I'll go with the party that has a better record on the social issues.
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When a newspaper posed the question, "What's Wrong with the World?" G. K. Chesterton reputedly wrote a brief letter in response: "Dear Sirs: I am. Sincerely Yours, G. K. Chesterton." That is the attitude of someone who has grasped the message of Jesus.
Mike, a lot of Christians resent their morals being exploited in this way and are disillusioned with the GOP at this point. As it relates to these specific moral issues, many have come to realize that there will not be a substantive difference no matter how they vote. The same song is not producing the same dance two generations later. I can appreciate that there is a part of our society that deeply feels that a vote for Republicans is a vote for Righteousness. Earlier in my life I may have fallen into that catgory, but I've been trying to say that that tactic is no longer finding the success that it used to have because the lack of firm results and specific promises speaks louder.
Tstew I have to disagree with you here. No one is saying vote Republican to be voting "right". What we are saying whether voting for a Republican or Democrat if either candidate openly supports what is an obomination to God, such as abortions and gay rights, then a Christian can not knowingly do that.
If the canidate of either party states they are against those things and then does not act on it, you are not responsible, IMO. But you are responsible if you knowingly vote for a supporter of obomination. Period. Dress it up any way you want but it is wrong! If you put ecomnics ahead of obominations then IMO you can't call yourself a Christian. That is Not being Christ like to vote for obominations.
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Tstew I have to disagree with you here. No one is saying vote Republican to be voting "right". What we are saying whether voting for a Republican or Democrat if either candidate openly supports what is an obomination to God, such as abortions and gay rights , then a Christian can not knowingly do that.
If the canidate of either party states they are against those things and then does not act on it, you are not responsible, IMO. But you are responsible if you knowingly vote for a supporter of obomination. Period. Dress it up any way you want but it is wrong! If you put ecomnics ahead of obominations then IMO you can't call yourself a Christian. That is Not being Christ like to vote for obominations.
If you voted for McCain/ Palin you should be ashamed of your self, also you are guilty of supporting an abomination because McCain/Palin are for gay rights which is an abomination. O btw Palin said she supported gay rights in front of 38 million people so she openly supports it..
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