Five fold ministry???? Who are they at your Church?

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Barnabas-Timothy-Silvanus for a few.

Was Timothy an apostle or was he really a bishop (pastor) Paul placed over a particular church? The scriptures seem to suggest he was the latter.

Originally Posted by COOPER

What then Exactly is an Apostle???

Is he a missionary????

I believe he is.

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Originally Posted by Chan

I think that it is intended for each local assembly.

Some assemblies cannot have this since they are not large enough. The BEST is to have them in each assembly, but that is not always possible. Bottom line is that there is no verse in the bible that says, "Each church must have each of the five-fold ministries."

I disagree. I think the apostles of Ephesians 4:11 are acutally missionaries

Apostle means SENT ONES. I agree they are missionaries. But THIS sort of missionary is not the average. The apostle reaches out in uncharted areas of hte world and starts works and oversees them after they are started. That is where my point comes into play. But top say they are generally missionaries is not necessarily true.

I agree about Agabus.

Originally Posted by mfblume

Some assemblies cannot have this since they are not large enough. The BEST is to have them in each assembly, but that is not always possible. Bottom line is that there is no verse in the bible that says, "Each church must have each of the five-fold ministries."

I didn't say they must, I said that I think each local assembly was intended to have them (even if it happens to be the same man filling one or more of them)

Apostle means SENT ONES. I agree they are missionaries. But THIS sort of missionary is not the average. The apostle reaches out in uncharted areas of hte world and starts works and oversees them after they are started. That is where my point comes into play. But top say they are generally missionaries is not necessarily true.

I think ALL missionaries are supposed to do this, though I don't think it has to be in a part of the world that is uncharted, since it seems every part of the world has been charted for at least the last 100 years.

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Originally Posted by Chan

I didn't say they must, I said that I think each local assembly was intended to have them (even if it happens to be the same man filling one or more of them)

I think ALL missionaries are supposed to do this, though I don't think it has to be in a part of the world that is uncharted, since it seems every part of the world has been charted for at least the last 100 years.

Some missionaries sent to regions are not gifted to oversee, but yet will win souls and are God-sent to these places. Again, the scriptures do not elucidate on the matter to that extent otherwise.

Originally Posted by mfblume

Some missionaries sent to regions are not gifted to oversee, but yet will win souls and are God-sent to these places. Again, the scriptures do not elucidate on the matter to that extent otherwise.

Then one who is gifted to oversee (this oversight is, of course, temporary) needs to be sent. Of course, all Christians are called to go into all the world with the gospel.

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Originally Posted by Chan

Then one who is gifted to oversee (this oversight is, of course, temporary)

And they are,m but not all sent are.

needs to be sent. Of course, all Christians are called to go into all the world with the gospel.

Exactly.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by COOPER

If any one claims they are Apostle so-n-so, them I will steer clear.

Too many nuts out there claiming they are of God ruining lives.

But many more that are helping God.

You see the glass half empty.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by COOPER

Where is the Rank and Order of the Five Fold Ministers????

Why are the Pastors recieving tithe and not the others????

Why is not this office shared as a whole????







What up with this?

The ranking within the church body if there is one is found in I Cor 12:28

Before we talk about the expression of the 5 fold ministry today, we should at least ponder the church in the 1st century.

It was primarily a citywide church, met in homes, led by appointed elders, who were appointed by Apostles, who were visited by prophets (Acts 11:27) and interent teachers.

This pattern more or less happened wherever the Gospel spread. Also prophets released Apostles into their ministry (Acts 13:1-2)

The giftings of the 5-Fold ministry then worked either locally within those groups of house churches that are identified by Cities, or they worked trans-locally and traveled much like the Apostle Paul did visiting the different works.

Much of the epistles were written trying to combat and qualify what these some of the false visiting ministers would teach in these meetings. Corinth, Galatia, Thessalonica each had this happen.

This was the norm.

Now in the present day, we are removed from some of that structure (sadly in my opinion), some visiting Evangelists might qualify as to be prophets but are afraid or don't realize their calling, visit the churches today along with a myrad # of teachers and exhorters.

Now for Apostles they tend to be more or less what missionaries are today, but not all missionary are Apostles and not all Apostles are missionaries.

They seem to have regional or larger vision that a local city, and lead and appoint elders and leaders in that region.

It would be great to see this realized and all these ministries function together in healthy way before Jesus comes again.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Esther

But many more that are helping God.

You see the glass half empty.

Sounds like a Fifty-Fifty chance either way.

Beware of False prophets. Use caution, do not blindly trust anyone.