Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Prax, you've missed the whole point.

Many folks feel like conformance to "holiness" standards is salvational.

Knowing this, why do they wait months before they teach them to new folks?

BUT I DON'T...

Here is what I think could be it. Those that teach it's salvific necessity don't teach it is a pre-requisite to being saved. Rather they teach it is a part of maturing. I think if you ask them if that new convert will go to hell if they die before learning of standards they would say no.

[EA]

I suppose I am most concerned about an incorrect view of Pentecostalism being fed to newcomers. I believe this is why we have so many folks experiencing the New Birth that leave after a short time. They were told to "come as you are" only to later find that statement changed to "come as we are."

Why do we tell folks to "come as you are?"

[Dedicated Mind]

Bro. Ed, do you teach holiness standards to new converts?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

This is what we should be teaching.


1. Genuine Faith.

2. Repentance.

3. Baptism

4. Holy Ghost infilling.

5. No britches.

6. No TV.

7. No jewelry.

8. No cosmetics.

9. No movies.

10. No mixed bathing.

11. No hair coloring.

and on and on and on.


Perhaps it would be good to have visitors read leaflets with this info as they enter the building?

Salvation is not a list of do's and don't's, it is a relationship with a person, Jesus Christ. You won't find him dealing with a laundry list. So get over it and preach the Good News, and trust the Holy Spirit to teach. Many Pentecostals do not need the HS because the church will tell them what they must and mustn't do.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Why do we tell folks to "come as you are?"

You're putting the cart before the horse now, Mister Ed.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Why do we tell folks to "come as you are?"

Because it would be asinine to expect sinners to come to church to conform when they have not even heard the preaching and believe it.

Jesus did not have the Apostles standing as guards refusing anyone to come and hear his words if they did not have on certain kinds of clothings or whatever

[MrMasterMind]

Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

EA has a point. It is Pentecostal Gnosticism.

Come in, and once you are saved and ready, we will teach you the secret deeper hidden meanings which all believers don't have the revelation on, or may not be able to handle.

BUMP

[Praxeas]

Why call them "Holiness" if you expect as part of conversion, before being saved, someone makes themselves Holy by dressing a certain way. That really is a works based system.

Holiness is a by-product of BEING saved

[EA]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

BUT I DON'T...

Here is what I think could be it. Those that teach it's salvific necessity don't teach it is a pre-requisite to being saved. Rather they teach it is a part of maturing. I think if you ask them if that new convert will go to hell if they die before learning of standards they would say no.

Why would they go to Hell for it AFTER they're saved, but not before or during the conversion process?

This all seems so arbitrary!!!

When is the cut-off point?

When do they need to start "living holy?"

Hell is not a game. This is too important to mess up.

[EA]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

Bro. Ed, do you teach holiness standards to new converts?

This is not about me.