|
Tab Menu 1
| Fellowship Hall The place to go for Fellowship & Fun! |
 |
|
03-11-2010, 06:08 PM
|
 |
Go Dodgers!
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 45,794
|
|
|
Re: The "Claim to the Name"
Quote:
Originally Posted by NotforSale
Oh, brother................
|
Wow, great comeback. I'll have to remember that next time I encounter someone with a better argument than I have
__________________
Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
|
03-11-2010, 07:18 PM
|
 |
Supercalifragilisticexpiali...
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 19,197
|
|
|
Re: The "Claim to the Name"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Orthodoxy
I've heard Apostolics say, "I was converted to the 'Jesus' Name' doctrine thirty years ago."
I've never really understood what that meant. When they say that, do they mean that Jesus is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?
|
If that is what they mean, then this Oneness Pentecostal is admittedly UNCONVERTED.
__________________
"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
|
03-11-2010, 07:20 PM
|
|
Registered Member
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 10,749
|
|
|
Re: The "Claim to the Name"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoovie
If that is what they mean, then this Oneness Pentecostal is admittedly UNCONVERTED.
|
Your little man is adorable!
__________________
His banner over me is LOVE....  My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
|
03-11-2010, 07:26 PM
|
 |
Ravaged by Grace
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 7,948
|
|
|
Re: The "Claim to the Name"
Quote:
Originally Posted by mizpeh
Calling on Christ, being baptized in His name, invokes his presence and He becomes involved in the baptism. He performs a spiritual circumcision while we are under the water being figuratively buried with Christ. And we become Christ's disciple when we are baptized in His name.
The accusation is that Oneness value the name MORE since they are eager and willing to be baptized in the name of Jesus thereby exalting the name of Christ. I am not saying that Trinitarians do not value the name of Jesus. You have misunderstood me.
I'm saying you are making a holy event profane with your glib remark by making it equal to taking a dip in a swimming pool.
What else should I think if someone is unwilling to be baptized in the name of the Lord according to the word of God? Who's disciple are they anyways? Baptism is an initiation into becoming part of the body of Christ. Baptism is a burial with Christ. We associate ourselves with Jesus in baptism. Why would you not baptize in His name?
As for being arrogant or having a superior standing, I simply don't see how you can call yourself a disciple of Christ's and not be baptized in His name except it be because of ignorance of the word of God, or because one is blindly following the traditions of men, or outright disobedience. I'm not sure how that makes me arrogant. I think being baptized in Jesus' name shows a respect for the name of Christ and that I am following Christ as His disciple. If you value the name of Christ, why don't you baptize in His name like the apostles did? Whose disciple are you anyways?
|
This is too far removed and too spliced up to recall exactly the thread of our conversation. But one thing I need to make clear, Mizpeh....you are COMPLETELY misinterpreting the way I referenced baptism with my "splashing" statement. I can't say that strongly enough. It was a lyrically extravagant way of describing entering baptismal waters. I was being intentionally descriptive. The thought of a "swimming pool" NEVER entered my mind. To accuse me of making baptism "profane with my glib remark" is MONUMENTALLY off-base and offensive. You're just flat-out wrong about that and I take exception to it.
As for who's disciple I am, I am a passionate follower of Jesus Christ. I am made whole by the grace of God that I cannot earn or calculate. There isn't one single instance in scripture that anything was ever spoken over anyone in the bible when they were baptized. You final paragraph is indicative of what I spoke of when I started this thread...that "Oneness" people seem to feel they value you the name of Jesus more than others in the Christian culture. You and others in this thread seem to be proving that true.
__________________
You know you miss me
|
03-11-2010, 07:28 PM
|
|
Supercalifragilisticexpiali...
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 19,197
|
|
|
Re: The "Claim to the Name"
Quote:
Originally Posted by ManOfWord
Serious as a heart attack! They can't get a handle on it like "we" do.
Different understandings bring different things we can get a handle on. Most oneness folks haven't a CLUE of what justification is WITH a oneness understanding. Most Trinitarians have a good handle on justification but not a handle on what God did if they don't really know the price that was paid. HUGE difference between God sending the 2nd person of the godhead to earth to pay the price and Him coming Himself. I certainly don't beat Trinitarians up over it, but there is a big difference. My comment wasn't condescending but a factual statement from personal experience and observation.  |
Mow, This assumes these you speak of are not Trinitarian at all, but rather some cult that denies Jesus is God Himself. The divinity of Christ is central to classic Trinitarinism.
__________________
"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
|
03-11-2010, 07:29 PM
|
|
Ravaged by Grace
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 7,948
|
|
|
Re: The "Claim to the Name"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Falla39
What do you "think"!
Jesus said except a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he can't
see (comprehend) or inherit the kingdom. Not only can he not comprehend
it, he can't get into it!
I was not in any way trying to copout. There is a lot more dialogue than
simply saying yes or no.
If a nest of wild hornet were brought to this room
And the critters allowed to go free.
You would not need urging to make yourself scarce,
You'd want to get out, don't you see.
He will not compel you to go, oh no;
He will not compel you to go. He will
Not compel you to go gainst your will,
He'll just make you willing to go.
Therefore judge nothing before the time
He's not through with me yet.
He's still working on me.
How bout you!
Falla39
|
Ok, now that's more like it. So when I asked, "Do you see those who have not followed the co-called "apostolic message" but are following Christ through more traditional theology, as saved, regenerated, born again, heaven-ready?", you're answer would be "No", correct?
__________________
You know you miss me
|
03-11-2010, 07:30 PM
|
|
Supercalifragilisticexpiali...
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 19,197
|
|
|
Re: The "Claim to the Name"
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsMcD
Do any of your churches sing "How Great is Our God?"
And age to age He stands
and time is in His Hands
Beginning and the End,
Beginning and the End
The Godhead, three in one
Father, Spirit, Son
the Lion and the Lamb,
the Lion and the Lamb
I'm curious because our oneness church and Baptist church sing it here.
|
Yes we sing it sometimes.
__________________
"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
|
03-11-2010, 07:39 PM
|
 |
Cross-examine it!
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Orcutt, CA.
Posts: 6,736
|
|
|
Re: The "Claim to the Name"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Falla39
What do you "think"!
Jesus said except a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he can't
see (comprehend) or inherit the kingdom. Not only can he not comprehend
it, he can't get into it!
I was not in any way trying to copout. There is a lot more dialogue than
simply saying yes or no.
If a nest of wild hornet were brought to this room
And the critters allowed to go free.
You would not need urging to make yourself scarce,
You'd want to get out, don't you see.
He will not compel you to go, oh no;
He will not compel you to go. He will
Not compel you to go gainst your will,
He'll just make you willing to go.
Therefore judge nothing before the time
He's not through with me yet.
He's still working on me.
How bout you!
Falla39
|
Jesus said, "except a man be born again" and he said "unless one is born of water and of the spirit"
What He did not say is: except a man be born again of water and the spirit.
__________________
"Beware lest you lose the substance by grasping at the shadow." ~Aesop
|
03-11-2010, 07:44 PM
|
 |
Registered Member
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Texas
Posts: 3,206
|
|
|
Re: The "Claim to the Name"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron1710
Jesus said, "except a man be born again" and he said "unless one is born of water and of the spirit"
What He did not say is: except a man be born again of water and the spirit.
|
 : thumbsup
Been Thinkin
__________________
"From the time you're born, 'til you ride in the hearse, there ain't nothing bad that couldn't be worse!"
LIFE: Some days you're the dog and some days you're the hydrant! 
I have ... Hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia! The fear of long words.
"Prediction is very hard, especially about the future." - Yogi Berra
"I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave in reflection." - Thomas Paine
|
03-11-2010, 07:45 PM
|
|
Registered Member
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 10,749
|
|
|
Re: The "Claim to the Name"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron1710
Jesus said, "except a man be born again" and he said "unless one is born of water and of the spirit"
What He did not say is: except a man be born again of water and the spirit.
|
He also didn't say: except a man be born of the flesh and born of the Spirit.
__________________
His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
|
|
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:12 PM.
| |
Linear Mode
