The sons of God and the daughters of men

[Aquila]

So why would the decendents of righteous Seth be called the "sons of God" (bene-ha-elohim) if they were doing unrighteously by taking as many wives as they chose?

Also, why insist that the "sons of God" were men when the Hebrew term "bene-ha-elohim", and it's Canaanite equivalent "banu ili-mi", is used for "divine beings" such as angels and demigods (devils) in both ancient Hebrew and ancient Canaanite texts?

[simplyme]

Originally Posted by SteppingStone

Interesting and entertaining but I just don't buy it.

I've noticed it myself *what the other poster said*
Having watche many of the HIstory & Discovery cable channels (also NatGeo) documentaries, they ALWAYS look for 'nautural' (or scientific) explanations
for so very much that is of Bible nature., just recently watched one that 'explained' away many of the "plagues" that befell Pharoah Ramses and his people as Ramses refused to let Moses people go.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Aquila

So why would the decendents of righteous Seth be called the "sons of God" (bene-ha-elohim) if they were doing unrighteously by taking as many wives as they chose?

Also, why insist that the "sons of God" were men when the Hebrew term "bene-ha-elohim", and it's Canaanite equivalent "banu ili-mi", is used for "divine beings" such as angels and demigods (devils) in both ancient Hebrew and ancient Canaanite texts?

Sons of God started doing wrong. This is like saying Israelites took to themselves wives of strangers, but they were still called God's people.

When we see similarities in etymology between languages, it is not concrete evidence.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by simplyme

I've noticed it myself *what the other poster said*
Having watche many of the HIstory & Discovery cable channels (also NatGeo) documentaries, they ALWAYS look for 'nautural' (or scientific) explanations
for so very much that is of Bible nature., just recently watched one that 'explained' away many of the "plagues" that befell Pharoah Ramses and his people as Ramses refused to let Moses people go.

Not believing in the supernatural is one thing. But standing on sensationalism is another.

[fl4christ]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Why would Cain's decendents be called the "sons of God", seeing they would have been wicked? This is why most assume it has to be the line of righteous Seth.


If these are not fallen angelic beings who are the angels mentioned in 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6, and what sin was so terrible it warranted binding them until the Day of Judgment...while allowing Satan and the rest of his fallen angels to roam free until this very day?

One reason is because when you read what little there is to read about them, they fit the description of (men of renown).

Another reason or point to make is that everyone is quick to point out that Cain was wicked(you even automatically label all his descendants as being wicked, yet the bible mentions no other wickedness until his descendant "Lamech". Other than that it just tells us what masters of every craft they were.), and because of this how can he or his lineage be "the sons of GOD". Yet this is the same GOD who created angels- WHO FELL, Lucifer - WHO FELL, was perfect in all his ways until HE FELL.

The serpent tells Eve, that they would be as gods, knowing both good & evil.
The tree was not a tree of knowledge, but a tree of knowledge of good & evil and was not a physical tree that was planted in the garden, no more than the tree of life was. Adam was told he could eat of every tree that was OF THE GARDEN. If you read in Genesis, it tells us about the trees that were OF THE GARDEN, and then tells us that the Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge of Good & Evil were also in the garden. JESUS says "I am the VINE and ye are the branches". We read things like "fruits of the spirit" are told we are to bear fruit. The first response from GOD to Adam was "WHO TOLD YOU THAT YOU WERE NAKED" then "Have you eaten from the tree".

GOD put HIS attributes in a spiritual being(for GOD was not flesh, these bodies are to contact this earth with,not HIM "HE saw that there was no man to till the soil"), took that spiritual being(Adam) and placed it in an earthly body, divided the attributes of that spiritual being, created a second body from part of the first and placed half those attributes in that second body. When GOD said Adam, HE was speaking to both halves, just as we are each one member of a MANY MEMBERED BODY(spiritual) OF CHRIST.

Whoever it was that first said "we are not human beings having a spiritual experience, but spiritual beings having a human experience knew what he or she was talking about.

"who told you that you were naked", naked isn't "having no clothes on" naked is convincing them that they were the body, and not the spiritual being inside clothed in flesh. Prior to that Adam first looked and saw through the flesh body at the spiritual being inside and said "she is bone of my bone, flesh of my flesh" he recognized himself. AND CALLED HER WOMAN. It wasn't until afterwards when they believed they were the body that he called her Eve. But you will not find GOD ever addressing her by that name.

I believe the reason for the short lineage list for Cain is because it ends at the flood. That is except for descendants who had mixed with the descendants of man (which would be Seth's children).

When we read the descendants of Adam, the lineage starts with Seth. Why not Cain?

[fl4christ]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Also, why insist that the "sons of God" were men when the Hebrew term "bene-ha-elohim", and it's Canaanite equivalent "banu ili-mi", is used for "divine beings" such as angels and demigods (devils) in both ancient Hebrew and ancient Canaanite texts?

For others and your clarification - the definition for "demigods" is not "devils". To put it in simple terms it is the word used for someone considered to be half man & half god.

from the dictionary - demigod: 1)a mythological being with more power than a mortal but less than a god. 2) a person so outstanding that he seems to approach the divine.

demi: 1) half 2) one that partly belongs to (a specified type or class)<demigod>

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by theglory7

Another weird one is in Ezekial, when he describes the spaceship God come in with all the wheels within one another and he even goes on to describe the sound it makes. The question is, if God was omnipotent and omnipresent, why did he need this elaborate spaceship?

15Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces.

16The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.

17When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went.

18As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.

19And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.

20Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.

21When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.

You just made an assumption this was a spaceship

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Not believing in the supernatural is one thing. But standing on sensationalism is another.

Sensationalism... what is sensationalism? Some would say miracles, healings, and the raising of the dead are sensational. We have to put it into context. Obviously the ancients didn't see the notion as "sensational" seeing that Josephus and other ancient Jewish sources took this position. I propose that it only seems "sensational" to use because we've sterilized our view of the supernatural with a form of religious "rationalism" that excludes the possibility of that which we'd otherwise call the unknown.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by fl4christ

For others and your clarification - the definition for "demigods" is not "devils". To put it in simple terms it is the word used for someone considered to be half man & half god.

from the dictionary - demigod: 1)a mythological being with more power than a mortal but less than a god. 2) a person so outstanding that he seems to approach the divine.

demi: 1) half 2) one that partly belongs to (a specified type or class)<demigod>

If you read my post, you'll find that my point was that the Hebrew term "bene-ha-elohim" is often used in Hebrew literature for gods, angels, devils, and demigods of the peoples around the ancient Hebrews.

That was my point. I know that there is a difference between devils and demigods.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by theglory7

Another weird one is in Ezekial, when he describes the spaceship God come in with all the wheels within one another and he even goes on to describe the sound it makes. The question is, if God was omnipotent and omnipresent, why did he need this elaborate spaceship?

15Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces.

16The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.

17When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went.

18As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.

19And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.

20Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.

21When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.

I wouldn't say it was a spaceship.