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[Praxeas]

Lords over God's heritage

[Rev]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Lords over God's heritage

(Heb 13:17) Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Rev

(Heb 13:17) Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

Do the pharisees, wolves and those that Lord it over the flock really watch out for your soul?

[Rev]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Do the pharisees, wolves and those that Lord it over the flock really watch out for your soul?

I don't know, I don't know anyone like that.

But the verse still stands.

[Rev]

Originally Posted by Rev

I don't know, I don't know anyone like that.

But the verse still stands.

By the way, most of what I'm seeing today are pastors that don't preach against any sin that's mentioned in the bible (old gnostic doctrine - there is no sin) and call it loving the saints!

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Rev

By the way, most of what I'm seeing today are pastors that don't preach against any sin that's mentioned in the bible (old gnostic doctrine - there is no sin) and call it loving the saints!

I haven't seen that. My pastor preaches against sin.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Rev

I don't know, I don't know anyone like that.

But the verse still stands.

If they don't "watch over your soul" then they fail to fit the category as defined here by the writer of Hebrews; and thus they have no legitimate claim to "rule" over anybody because they can't even rule over their own passions and lusts.

[Rev]

Originally Posted by pelathais

If they don't "watch over your soul" then they fail to fit the category as defined here by the writer of Hebrews; and thus they have no legitimate claim to "rule" over anybody because they can't even rule over their own passions and lusts.

I know a preacher that fell into sin.

Board called him up but the witness had no credibility. (I love spell checker).

So preacher gets off.

I admired (maybe to strong of a word?) this man more because he still preached against sin then I do those that fall into sin, but stop preaching against anything. I have seen both.

[Mirth1981]

Originally Posted by Rev

(Heb 13:17) Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

You should study the actual meaning behind that verse...it might surprise you.

Here is what Jesus had to say about exercising authority over God's people:

"Ye know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great ones exercise authority over them. BUT IT SHALL NOT BE SO AMONG YOU, but whosoever would be first among you shall be your servant, even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many" (Matt. 20:25-28).

[Rev]

Originally Posted by Mirth1981

You should study the actual meaning behind that verse...it might surprise you.

Here is what Jesus had to say about exercising authority over God's people:

"Ye know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great ones exercise authority over them. BUT IT SHALL NOT BE SO AMONG YOU, but whosoever would be first among you shall be your servant, even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many" (Matt. 20:25-28).

(1Pe 5:2) Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;