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Old 06-15-2007, 01:41 PM
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"Eternal Son" is an oxymoron! I encourage you to read the book (no, I'm not interested in getting you to change your doctrine).
I do not believe the Son is eternal. But I do not beleive trinity either. Sorry.
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Old 06-15-2007, 02:20 PM
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I do not believe the Son is eternal. But I do not beleive trinity either. Sorry.
me too.... I'm sorry for you
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Old 06-15-2007, 02:26 PM
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me too.... I'm sorry for you
Well, if that is not the most scholarly and mature response I've read yet... not. Are all trinitarians this deep?
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Well, if that is not the most scholarly and mature response I've read yet... not. Are all trinitarians this deep?
Not all of them Bro... only the ones who where oneness first!! Besides I was just playing
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Not all of them Bro... only the ones who where oneness first!! Besides I was just playing
oh no... lol
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BTW - I read the debates you sent - thanks
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BTW - I read the debates you sent - thanks
Oh, right! You're quite welcome.

Now you know oneness people do not skim the issue but deal quite indepthly about it and know what trinitarians actually believe.
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Oneness Pentecostals such as Mr Blume claim that God assumes the three roles (or manifestations) of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit in time from Jesus’ birth. But I would state here that both of these positions are problematic for the Oneness view, because before Jesus’ conception in Mary’s womb, Luke states that; ‘The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee,’ (Luke 1:35), indicating that God already existed as the Holy Spirit, before Jesus’ birth and even before his conception; (Mr Blume alludes to this in paraphrase in his post).
Where did Mr Blume claim the HOly Ghost did not already exist?
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Oneness Pentecostals such as Mr Blume claim that God assumes the three roles (or manifestations) of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit in time from Jesus’ birth. But I would state here that both of these positions are problematic for the Oneness view, because before Jesus’ conception in Mary’s womb, Luke states that; ‘The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee,’ (Luke 1:35), indicating that God already existed as the Holy Spirit, before Jesus’ birth and even before his conception; (Mr Blume alludes to this in paraphrase in his post).
Where did Mr Blume claim the HOly Ghost did not already exist?
I missed IB's quote here.

Right, Praxeas! Now I know what you mean by Iron Bladder twisting what we say and misrepresenting us! I NEVER SAID THE HOLY GHOST MANIFESTATION DID NOT EXIST BEFORE THE INCARNATION. Neither do I believe it. The Holy Ghost is a manifestation that existed long before incarnation!

Seems to me that Iron Bladder never really properly understood oneness. So he cannot say he was once oneness.
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I missed IB's quote here.

Right, Praxeas! Now I know what you mean by Iron Bladder twisting what we say and misrepresenting us! I NEVER SAID THE HOLY GHOST MANIFESTATION DID NOT EXIST BEFORE THE INCARNATION. Neither do I believe it. The Holy Ghost is a manifestation that existed long before incarnation!

Seems to me that Iron Bladder never really properly understood oneness. So he cannot say he was once oneness.
That is what I believe. Maybe he went to a OP church for that short 6 months or so, maybe less, and that church taught him wrong and he refuses to listen to any one else.
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