Is It Wrong To Call Jesus Yeshua?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I am not bothered with anyone calling Jesus by the name YEHSHUA, but it is mistaken to think it is BETTER to "Yehshua" than "Jesus". It is error to think there is something more special and holy in using the Hebrew name.

Again Mike it is NOT.....that it is a Hebrew name. It is that its HIS name.

Again I never started any debate on what name people should be using. I have used Yeshua and Jesus interchangeably for many years. I have asked no one on this Forum to do so.

I have had people on this Forum COMMAND ME NOT to use Yeshua and then call me "elitist".

I have asked a question here twice now that exposes the little elitist game people are playing.

Why do people call LORD YAHWEH? People do it all the time here. Are they "elitists"?

Are they trying to highly exalt themselves and their knowledge OVER OTHERS?

Are they sinning because they understand the words LORD over 6000 times in the Bible has no relations to what it replaces?

Of course I remember a few years back the few at that time who DARED put a name where one belonged for GOD in his own Bible were also ridiculed.

But now I ask do you think people are "elitist" when insted of calling the God of the Bible LORD they actually call him by a name?

Or are they in good conscience trying to please God by calling him a name that he says is holy instead of merely calling him by four English words?

Are they puffed up, proud, arrogant, and elitist? Or are they at least TRYING to worship in spirit and truth wherever that may lead?

It seems like anyone who does not agree with some on the Forum are now considered "elitist".

Yet all the while the whole Protestant movement is on record in one place or another as accusing Oneness believers of the very same thing.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Again Mike it is NOT.....that it is a Hebrew name. It is that its HIS name.

Then let me say it like this: It is not MORE holy or spiritual to say HIS name in Hebrew or English.

Again I never started any debate on what name people should be using. I have used Yeshua and Jesus interchangeably for many years. I have asked no one on this Forum to do so.

No problem there. It's just your idea that saying HIS name in Hebrew is more holy than saying it in another language is what I disagree with.

I have had people on this Forum COMMAND ME NOT to use Yeshua and then call me "elitist".

I first used the term Elitist and I did NOT command you to not use it in Hebrew. I said you APPEAR - APPEAR - APPEAR to be elitist when you use it, and that is what people think.

I have asked a question here twice now that exposes the little elitist game people are playing.

Why do people call LORD YAHWEH? People do it all the time here. Are they "elitists"?

It is not who is elitist or not but WHO APPEARS so. Do you get that point yet?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I am not bothered with anyone calling Jesus by the name YEHSHUA, but it is mistaken to think it is BETTER to "Yehshua" than "Jesus". It is error to think there is something more special and holy in using the Hebrew name.

If indeed it does not bother you for someone to use Yeshua why dont you call on those here who attack that name to just back off their attacks. Why dont you explain that?

Why dont you go back to the thread where this started and see where it was I was telling anyone it was BETTER to use Yeshua than Jesus? I challenge you to. It never happened.

I was doing something YOU SAID you have no problem with.

OTHERS were attacking me not the other way around. I was actually FORBIDDEN by some to say YESHUA.

Instead of me telling THEM it was better to use Yeshua than Jesus they were telling me its better to use Jesus than Yeshua.

Doesnt that seem strange to you? Why are you not correcting THEM?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

If indeed it does not bother you for someone to use Yeshua why dont you call on those here who attack that name to just back off their attacks. Why dont you explain that?

Why dont you go back to the thread where this started and see where it was I was tellind anyone it was BETTER to use Yeshua than Jesus? I challenge you to. It never happened.

I was doing something YOU SAID you have no problem with.

OTHERS were attacking me not the other way around. I was actually FORBIDDEN by some to say YESHUA.

Instead of me telling THEM it was better to use Yeshua than Jesus they were telling me its better to use Jesus than Yeshua.

Doesnt that seem strange to you? Why are you not correcting THEM?

You have some kind of "persecution complex" going? lol. You are suspicious as though why people pick on you and not anyone else? (Kinda elitist as well, lol). I already stated my opinion to all on the board about whether or not it bothers me. I am simply explaining to you why it does not bother me, and at the same time where you are wrong, since you mistook parts of what I said. No one else did. Houston confirmed that.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by mfblume

You have some kind of "persecution complex" going? lol. You are suspicious as though why people pick on you and not anyone else? (Kinda elitist as well, lol). I already stated my opinion to all on the board about whether or not it bothers me. I am simply explaining to you why it does not bother me, and at the same time where you are wrong, since you mistook parts of what I said. No one else did. Houston confirmed that.

Ok good enough.

[Michael The Disciple]

One more comparison.

Suppose right now there was a group of Jewish believers talking among themselves and an American came in. What if he tried to use the name of Jesus and they said :

No you cannot use "Jesus" when you are among Messianics. Why would you use THAT name when those of us here all use Yeshua?

How would that go over with you all? Would you think they were doing wrong?

If it would be wrong for THEM to do why would it be right for YOU to do the same thing?

Or perhaps we should have freedom to call Yeshua as we think good. As in international Churches where there is more than one name honored, everyone rejoices and none are offended.

[acerrak]

Ok there is Nothing wrong using Yeshua, yehoshua, Yesus or Jesus. Or we could use His name as it was pronounced in the greek

Iesous Christos

If one doesnt want to do a study how the american word Jesus came into play, and they want to critisice it, your in error.

In fact when they made the change from I to J, the J had a Jya sound, not a (G) as time goes by languages change and evolve. look at modern english over the last 5oo years

when the Name Iesous was being translated from greek to other languages, the spelling was changing but the sounds was trying to be kept.

Infact when the Iesous or Yesus (and no this is not zues so please dont waste your time with a straw mans arguement) started its progression

In the 1500's (Middle English)=His name was Iefus*
In the 1600's (Modern English)=His name was Jesus

J at this tim was a ya sound. so prounce his name would be close to Yasus, Iesous when it came to even more modern english, the (j) lost the (ya) sound and picked up the (g) sound

I really dont think it is right for either side to say you shouldnt use the other. i would assume The Son of God has answered your prayers for you when you called him by that Name Jesus, and i am sure the same as yeshua.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

One more comparison.

Suppose right now there was a group of Jewish believers talking among themselves and an American came in. What if he tried to use the name of Jesus and they said :

No you cannot use "Jesus" when you are among Messianics. Why would you use THAT name when those of us here all use Yeshua?

How would that go over with you all? Would you think they were doing wrong?

If it would be wrong for THEM to do why would it be right for YOU to do the same thing?

Or perhaps we should have freedom to call Yeshua as we think good. As in international Churches where there is more than one name honored, everyone rejoices and none are offended.

I have listened to a trinitarian preacher, who is jewish, and pentacostal. He tours around the country trying to win jews for Jesus, He uses both names interchangeable, he doesnt degrade one over the other, even when speaking to Jews

His name is Dr michael brown

[NorCal]

Originally Posted by mfblume

You have some kind of "persecution complex" going? lol. You are suspicious as though why people pick on you and not anyone else? (Kinda elitist as well, lol). I already stated my opinion to all on the board about whether or not it bothers me. I am simply explaining to you why it does not bother me, and at the same time where you are wrong, since you mistook parts of what I said. No one else did. Houston confirmed that.

Yeah, all I did was wonder why he was using Yeshua and not Jesus. Suddenly he was on the defense.

I never meant to cause a huge debate. :-(

In my opinion, it just leads to the thought of people proclaiming that Jesus is not the proper name to be baptized in. That is usually the "Yeshua Crowd" that state that.

My second opinion was that there was not 100% hard proof that Yeshua was the actual name (although Prax brought up some good points), but that we have 100% HARD PROOF that he was called Jesus (English translation of Latin translated from Greek).

It was never to attack him for using that. I think I even posted a long list of names, pronunciation, and translations of what it could be.

Technically, could you not be Baptized in the name of Jehovah, since it is the root meaning of Jesus (Jehovah Saves)?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by acerrak

I have listened to a trinitarian preacher, who is jewish, and pentacostal. He tours around the country trying to win jews for Jesus, He uses both names interchangeable, he doesnt degrade one over the other, even when speaking to Jews

His name is Dr michael brown

Yes have seen his writings. No need to degrade anyone.