I guess it really depends on how you define "Christian".
So, I feel the need to ask: will there be any besides Christians in heaven?
i think a better question is, will all OPs be in heaven.
however, you and I owe a great deal of our theology to these 2 men. without them, our understanding of Holiness and salvation being extended to all humanity would be quite limited. in fact, these things would not be part of our tradition and would thus not be part of our faith.
Where they "christian" will I know that If I believe my faith to be correct, then I must acknowledge that God used these men to articulate principles that He (God) wanted communicated to mankind.
if they were not christian, why was the christian God using them?
and you dont get to cop out with the donkey argument.
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i think a better question is, will all OPs be in heaven.
Will any but Christians be in heaven, Ferd?
Since you didn't answer, I'll go ahead. "No" is the answer. So, if the men you mentioned did not obey the Gospel, first and foremost, then they will not be in heaven. So, can't we logically say that they were not Christian to begin with? Or, were they Chrisitian until the end, but never made it in because they didn't have truth?
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however, you and I owe a great deal of our theology to these 2 men. without them, our understanding of Holiness and salvation being extended to all humanity would be quite limited. in fact, these things would not be part of our tradition and would thus not be part of our faith.
I disagree. The Apostolic Church never was a part of "them". It did not come out of them, nor did it gain its understanding from them. Do they contribute to some understanding through commentaries and such? Sure, but my theology did not come from any of the men you mentioned.
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and you dont get to cop out with the donkey argument.
It's not a copout. God will use whatever vessel He chooses, donkey or protestant.
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As I said, I knew you weren't one to do so, and we agree that it's sorta........well, not sure of the word right now. Cowardly, unstable, double-minded?
Anywho........thanks for playing.....the game and me!
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Wasn't she a leader in the "Latter Rain Movement?" The name rings a bell in the back of my head?
Yes.
She and her husband, later deceased, pastored the very large Latter Rain church in Detroit.
I had heard of her and the church many times. It was a healing and revival center. Once in conversation with Arlen (Buddy) Guidroz of Dallas, he spoke of that Church. It seems that when he was a young man, he and his Father, the legendary V.A. Guidroz, Dora's grandfather attended a service or two there...if I rightly recall the conversation.
He related how that there was so much fasting and praying in that church that it never closed, the tabernacle was always jammed packed with people. There were all sorts of physical aids nailed to the walls such as wheel chairs, crutches, leg braces and many other contraptions as well as a witness of the miracle power of God.
He further related how that since the breath gives off a bad odor from fasting that, there was so much fasting that it got into the walls. The church had to shut down from time to time for the purpose of sanitizing the walls to cleanse all the bad ordor from bad breath.
It was truly a great, miracle, faith based revival church. Many Latter Rain churches came and leaders came out of that church though that church was not the beginning of that movement.
The Latter Rain movement began in Sasketchiwan Canada at a praying and fasting Bible School. The likes of George Hawtin, a very prolific author of many (approx 35) books, and a few other men were the genesis of that movement from out of that school. I have all books written by Geo. Hawtin. However, I would not reccommend those books to a novice, though they are probably out of print.
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