Rebekah Got a Nose Ring?

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

No one has jumped ship ... I see two strong arguments which you cannot refute ... one that jewelry was never a sin ... as some in the Apostolic movement have tried to paint .... and there is no command in the NT against it .... both a rock solid team that makes a slam dunk against EXTRA-BIBLICAL HERETICAL TEACHING GUISED AS THE TRUTH ABOUT GOD'S HOLINESS ..

Your right, it never was wrong, still is not wrong. It was never about the outward, it's about the heart. The bible never said a women could not wear gold or braid her hair, it say do not let these become your beauty, but let your beauty come from within.

They really do preach another Gospel, another way other the grace, Gods perfect agape (Jesus)~ Anything outside that will lead one straight to hell!

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

In the oT some things were permitted such as:
polygamy
cuncubines
incestual marriages as in Abraham
vengence as Samuel with Agag
divorce
jewelry

However there are accounts when individuals and groups repented or chose to dedicate they removed their jewelry as Jacob & Isreal in Exo.34.

The only men in the NT who are said to need to be monogamous is the bishops. "Husband of one wife". LOL! What would you say to those guys with three wives who are converted in Africa?? But God did create Adam and Eve only....as one wife is His plan.

God permitted divorce because of the hardness of their hearts...likely the men's hearts. I think he did this to protect the women. Now, he commands men everywhere to repent. However, there are still two clauses...the adultery clause and where it tells women not to depart from their husbands BUT AND IF she depart to remain unmarried (in other words, she divorced) or be reconciled. But then, I think you are one of those guys who disallows divorce even if someone's spouse cheated on them a million times and caught AIDS and refuses to repent.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

it would be very inconsistent if God were to reward his children w/ concubines and multiple wives ...if he has prohibited such ... yet in scripture God uses jewelry figuratively, allegorically, etc ... in a positive light ....

Very ture, The biblical requirement that a pastor be "the husband of one wife" Where as the bible does not say all men must have one wife, just the (pastor)

1 Tim. 3:12, "Let deacons be the husband of one wife

The minister must have only one wife; he may not be divorced and remarried, or guilty of polygamy.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

In the oT some things were permitted such as:
polygamy
cuncubines
incestual marriages as in Abraham
vengence as Samuel with Agag
divorce
jewelry

However there are accounts when individuals and groups repented or chose to dedicate they removed their jewelry as Jacob & Isreal in Exo.34.

I can see that, but what about where God himself says he given them those things as a sign of blessing????

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Yeah ... clear mandates by Jesus that polygamy is prohibited ....as is killing .... you base your ban on jewelry base on a backwoods paradigm and gross misnterpretation of 2 pretexts found in the Epistles.

Yup

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Again you claim the right BECAUSE then when cornered you just jump ship on your original argument.

Our difference on the verse in 1Tim. is one thing however many of you have used the examples in the OT as PROOF it is alright but abandon it when cornered. I figured as much.

I do understand what NOT means even thought evidently you do NOT.

Actually someone claimed Jewelry was pagan and pointed to Abraham in the OT..from your side and it was pointed out that Abraham was not a pagan AND that God Himself speaks of putting ornamental jewelry ON Israel...hmmmmm.

Pointing to the OT shows that it was NOT considered wrong back then contrary to what a LOT of those of you that oppose all forms of ornaments. That is just a total fabrication. They did wear Jewelry. It was never said to be wrong,

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

In the oT some things were permitted such as:
polygamy
cuncubines
incestual marriages as in Abraham
vengence as Samuel with Agag
divorce
jewelry

However there are accounts when individuals and groups repented or chose to dedicate they removed their jewelry as Jacob & Isreal in Exo.34.

Divorce is still permitted. Concubines and Polygamy was not permitted. It was not outlawed. Abraham practiced incest.

also this might be you shooting your own foot, but Incest was OUTlawed under the law. Where was Jewelry outlawed?

Nor was divorce permissible for any reason under the law. It was the same as Jesus said, for sexual immorality he could divorce her.

Vengence was ok? Why did God say then "Vengeance is mine"?

But where is Jewelry outright said to be a sin or evil anywhere? All you have is "gold and pearls" and even then it does not say it's a new sin or it's evil

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Actually someone claimed Jewelry was pagan and pointed to Abraham in the OT..from your side and it was pointed out that Abraham was not a pagan AND that God Himself speaks of putting ornamental jewelry ON Israel...hmmmmm.

Pointing to the OT shows that it was NOT considered wrong back then contrary to what a LOT of those of you that oppose all forms of ornaments. That is just a total fabrication. They did wear Jewelry. It was never said to be wrong,

Praxeas,

What do you think about this passage from Isaiah 3?

16 Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet: 17 Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover F21 their secret parts. 18 In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon, 19 The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers, 20 The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings, 21 The rings, and nose jewels, 22 The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins, 23 The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails. 24 And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty. 25 Thy men shall fall by the sword, and thy mighty in the war. 26 And her gates shall lament and mourn; and she being desolate shall sit upon the ground.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Divorce is still permitted. Concubines and Polygamy was not permitted. It was not outlawed. Abraham practiced incest.

also this might be you shooting your own foot, but Incest was OUTlawed under the law. Where was Jewelry outlawed?

Nor was divorce permissible for any reason under the law. It was the same as Jesus said, for sexual immorality he could divorce her.

Vengence was ok? Why did God say then "Vengeance is mine"?

But where is Jewelry outright said to be a sin or evil anywhere? All you have is "gold and pearls" and even then it does not say it's a new sin or it's evil

The law required masters to take an awl and pierce their servants ear ... then an earing was also fastened.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Praxeas,

What do you think about this passage from Isaiah 3?

16 Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet: 17 Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover F21 their secret parts. 18 In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon, 19 The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers, 20 The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings, 21 The rings, and nose jewels, 22 The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins, 23 The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails. 24 And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty. 25 Thy men shall fall by the sword, and thy mighty in the war. 26 And her gates shall lament and mourn; and she being desolate shall sit upon the ground.

I think God is taking issue w/ their vanity ... and pride .... VERSE 16 .... jewelry is only some of the things he will take away ...

22 The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins, 23 The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails.

Are vails, hoods and fine linen also A SIN???