Separation From The World

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I have a Pastor friend in Athens Tennessee who ministers among the Amish people. He told me they are not Christians as we think of Christians. He doesnt mean Apostolic Christians by that he means as in Christianity Christians. He said they preach from a book of their own traditions.

Ya, um, Mike? That really is a good thing, really.
The (like 2) Amish I've known had prolly eight Bibles
each, just in their living rooms. Dog eared.
And there really is no preaching
in their services most of the time, I don't think.

I'll say this; I doubt you could get one to blink if you
walked into their service in biker drag, and cracked a Bible, lol.
AND, someone would be inviting you to dinner after, prolly.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Barb

I'm sorry, but what IS your point in belaboring this?

People have answered your questions, at least as much as they care to, yet you are hammering away at this.

Just what are you driving at...or to be more exact, what are you wanting us to say?

I had put it to rest until somebody brought it back up. Ok. I will be plain.

Many Oneness pentecostals seem to have this belief that "bobbed hair women" are lost...not going to make it to heaven. Some who do not tithe exactly 10% will be lost. Some women seem to think that if they wear their skirts to mid calf and below, long sleeves, long uncut hair and all the other garbage they are supposed to be doing to "look right"... that they will make it to heaven. They are separated! All along prancing around with elaborate hairstyles and have "pride" in their long hair. That's pride of life. Women glory in their long hair and no makeup styles, while many of them put other women down because they do not look the part of a pentecostal. They are glorying in their appearance. Some women in church are so busy scrutinizing other women there that nothing gets done for the Lord. Many pentecostal men and women do not look deep enough into another sister to find if she is kind, generous, given to helping strangers, seeing after her family etc.

I am going to hammer at this until you all quit hammering the myth of uncut hair getting you into heaven. That is DEAD WORKS. It helps NOBODY but Unregistered

What exactly I am saying is that just because people "obey the grocery list of standards" they think that they are separated from the world when in fact, they are not really as separated as they think they are.

What exactly I am saying is that many pentecostals have stinking pride. They DO have the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh and they take a lot of pride in their homes and what is in those homes. And some have rather large, expensive homes while living off what other people give to them to "further the gospel" they are told.

They DO have the pride of life. When I see preachers taking money from people who struggle simply because they say it's Bible tithing and God's going to get them if they do not tithe, and they live much higher than the ones who struggle, have larger homes, vacation homes, new SUVs... while the ones who give them the money drive 10 year old vehicles.
That's pride of life and yet these very same men and women will declare that they are separated from the world.

No they are not separated from the world. They lust after the things of the world. They lust after the high seats, the special recognition, titles and making a name for themselves, gluttony and many hardly lift a finger to help those who are truly in need.

My husband heard a preacher tell a congregation "If you don't have money to pay your rent, you pay your tithes anyhow. That'll make a man out of you".



HUH?

The Bible says "But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?"

So..what I am exactly "belaboring" here is that there is a difference between obeying standards of the church system and being separate in the world. You can obey the standards your entire life and and can still have the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life. Having that is not being separate from the world. That is biblical. That is straight forward.

Sadly, very few cannot or will not see that difference.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

If you look like the world
Go everywhere the world goes
Do everything the world does
theen you are not separated.
Glad I could help.

I am not sure Jesus had a stark contrast from others in the culture.

I think he pretty much went wherever other respectable people went... And for the most part did what others did sans any sin.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

I am not sure Jesus had a stark contrast from others in the culture.

I think he pretty much went wherever other respectable people went... And for the most part did what others did sans any sin.

The world goes to Walmart, Ruth's Chris, Starbucks... Some of these people nees to live in a national pak, like the people in THE VILLAGE.

[houston]

-park

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

If you look like the world
Go everywhere the world goes
Do everything the world does
then you are not separated.

Amen. Having been informed that Jesus was the Christ,
His earthly family did not seek to have Him "put away"
because He was doing what everyone else did, imo.

[bbyrd009]

I am pretty sure Jesus had a stark contrast from others in the culture;
we decided to start the calendar over at "0" for Him.

I think he pretty much shunned wherever other "respectable" people went,
along with the people who considered themselves respectable.

Pretty sure I can dig up some Scripture for all that,
if anyone needs it.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by houston

The world goes to Walmart, Ruth's Chris, Starbucks... Some of these people need to live in a national park, like the people in THE VILLAGE.

Amen. Possibly most, or at least many.
It is extremely difficult to see how disconnected from God
you have become when wrapped in the deceptive arms of
Capitalism.
For your own sake, set the shiny plastic thing down,
and head away from the city. Today.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

I had put it to rest until somebody brought it back up. Ok. I will be plain.

Many Oneness pentecostals seem to have this belief that "bobbed hair women" are lost...not going to make it to heaven. Some who do not tithe exactly 10% will be lost. Some women seem to think that if they wear their skirts to mid calf and below, long sleeves, long uncut hair and all the other garbage they are supposed to be doing to "look right"... that they will make it to heaven. They are separated! All along prancing around with elaborate hairstyles and have "pride" in their long hair. That's pride of life. Women glory in their long hair and no makeup styles, while many of them put other women down because they do not look the part of a pentecostal. They are glorying in their appearance. Some women in church are so busy scrutinizing other women there that nothing gets done for the Lord. Many pentecostal men and women do not look deep enough into another sister to find if she is kind, generous, given to helping strangers, seeing after her family etc.

I am going to hammer at this until you all quit hammering the myth of uncut hair getting you into heaven. That is DEAD WORKS. It helps NOBODY but Unregistered

What exactly I am saying is that just because people "obey the grocery list of standards" they think that they are separated from the world when in fact, they are not really as separated as they think they are.

What exactly I am saying is that many pentecostals have stinking pride. They DO have the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh and they take a lot of pride in their homes and what is in those homes. And some have rather large, expensive homes while living off what other people give to them to "further the gospel" they are told.

They DO have the pride of life. When I see preachers taking money from people who struggle simply because they say it's Bible tithing and God's going to get them if they do not tithe, and they live much higher than the ones who struggle, have larger homes, vacation homes, new SUVs... while the ones who give them the money drive 10 year old vehicles.
That's pride of life and yet these very same men and women will declare that they are separated from the world.

No they are not separated from the world. They lust after the things of the world. They lust after the high seats, the special recognition, titles and making a name for themselves, gluttony and many hardly lift a finger to help those who are truly in need.

My husband heard a preacher tell a congregation "If you don't have money to pay your rent, you pay your tithes anyhow. That'll make a man out of you".



HUH?

The Bible says "But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?"

So..what I am exactly "belaboring" here is that there is a difference between obeying standards of the church system and being separate in the world. You can obey the standards your entire life and and can still have the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life. Having that is not being separate from the world. That is biblical. That is straight forward.

Sadly, very few cannot or will not see that difference.

I, too, will be plain.

Frankly, I don't give a rolling donut who cuts their hair. It matters absolutely nothing to me.

I am just SO sick of the constant "what would you do if" silliness from some who have a different view than me regarding hair and the rest.

It is old and tired.

As I rarely post anymore, I will take my time on the soapbox a step further...

I do not appreciate a longer skirt than you might wear, uncut hair, and the rest being called "garbage."

That is my conviction...my personal conviction that I am not imposing on anyone.

I wouldn't dream of referring to your uncut hair, pants or whatever as "garbage!"

Whether I consider it a heaven or hell issue should not concern anyone UNLESS I am telling them "You are hell bound!"

Do you want to know who I respect highly on this forum, and we have never met?

Sherri Cupples, and here is the reason... Tho' we may be miles apart in agreement in certain areas, I know she respects where she came from and what I stand for.

Even going back to the FCF days, I never read a post by Sherri where she low graded anyone.

Likewise, I would never, ever want to offend her or pretend that she is not saved, sincere, and doing a work for the Lord.

It's called kindness.

And tell me, just how do YOU know, for a fact and not just the gift of suspicion kicking in, but for FACT know that these nameless women in your above post have a pride issue?

Did you hear them say so? What specific comments were made? To whom were they made?

And just what is prancing?

Whom do you know, personally know and not just suppose is busy scrutinizing other women so that nothing gets done in the church?

Give us names and churches...make it plain.

I agree, and said so in an earlier post, that our separation is unto the Lord.

Perhaps you missed that...

And perhaps it is age that is causing me to be so blunt in this post, but my weariness is taking a toll....just maybe reading the threads here is something I should now forgo.

[Arphaxad]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

If you look like the world
Go everywhere the world goes
Do everything the world does
theen you are not separated.
Glad I could help.

OK, so we look to the world to be separated from them, thanks, got it now.