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06-25-2012, 04:48 PM
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Re: This Week's Encounters with Legalism
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Ya know, there is a whacked out homeless man near where my wife works who's opinion I respect more (and who's ramblings are easier to understand).
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Ok, are we talking about me now, or the shoulder-slapper? I was agreeing with you there, btw. Which doesn't mean I deserve any more respect, if you meant me; unless...lol.
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06-25-2012, 05:17 PM
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Re: This Week's Encounters with Legalism
"then she'll be getting all the grace she deserves from you"
BBYRD, this is my problem with what you have been saying - see that word "deserves"? None of us DESERVES grace. I know I don't. I know you don't either. But if what TV has is so much better than what his mom has, then he has to be an example of the grace of God that he has received from God. How else can he be an example if not by demonstrating that grace as he extends it to his mother? No, she doesn't deserve it. And it may be immensely hard to extend it to her. I understand that. And I am convinced that there is much more to this story than any of us know. I am truly not trying to pin TV up against a wall and slap him silly. That's not my point at all. My point is to try to get him to look at this situation from his mother's point of view and then even tho he doesn't agree, at least to love her with the love of the Lord that He's talked about. And if he does love her, it will show in the way that he treats her.
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06-25-2012, 05:41 PM
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Re: This Week's Encounters with Legalism
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"then she'll be getting all the grace she deserves from you"
BBYRD, this is my problem with what you have been saying - see that word "deserves"? None of us DESERVES grace. I know I don't. I know you don't either. But if what TV has is so much better than what his mom has, then he has to be an example of the grace of God that he has received from God. How else can he be an example if not by demonstrating that grace as he extends it to his mother? No, she doesn't deserve it. And it may be immensely hard to extend it to her. I understand that. And I am convinced that there is much more to this story than any of us know. I am truly not trying to pin TV up against a wall and slap him silly. That's not my point at all. My point is to try to get him to look at this situation from his mother's point of view and then even tho he doesn't agree, at least to love her with the love of the Lord that He's talked about. And if he does love her, it will show in the way that he treats her.
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To that I have to say amen, and you def have a point there. But I think respect got confused with grace somewhere here. You can show a person who (obviously) has no self-respect grace, but I'm not sure you are even supposed to show respect to them; which doesn't mean show dis-respect, but don't throw pearls before swine, either.
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06-25-2012, 05:01 PM
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Re: This Week's Encounters with Legalism
My personal policy is to hold the person's hand. I don't want anyone accuse me of pushing someone over. I have eliminated virtually all tongue talking when I pray with someone. I took a lot of principles I developed praying with people who wanted the baptism of the Holy Spirit and incorporated them into praying for people to be healed. My goal is to eliminate the spook out of healing as well as I eliminated the spook out of being baptized in the Spirit.
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I have to say that I probably don't want anyone/everyone to pray for me, in a physical sort of way, either. Feel free to pray for me from afar but you better not come up and slap your hand on my shoulder or especially my head and start yodeling in tongues over me lest I use my newly acquired CCW on you. OK, I jest. I wouldn't use my conceal carry weapon, but I MAY use my pepper spray, which would not be a good thing for any others nearby.
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Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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06-25-2012, 05:11 PM
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Re: This Week's Encounters with Legalism
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My personal policy is to hold the person's hand. I don't want anyone accuse me of pushing someone over. I have eliminated virtually all tongue talking when I pray with someone. I took a lot of principles I developed praying with people who wanted the baptism of the Holy Spirit and incorporated them into praying for people to be healed. My goal is to eliminate the spook out of healing as well as I eliminated the spook out of being baptized in the Spirit.
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In this situation, that is totally acceptable, and I would not be reaching for my pepper spray, although I would still expect them to get my permission. 
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06-25-2012, 05:33 PM
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Re: This Week's Encounters with Legalism
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I have to say that I probably don't want anyone/everyone to pray for me, in a physical sort of way, either. Feel free to pray for me from afar but you better not come up and slap your hand on my shoulder or especially my head and start yodeling in tongues over me lest I use my newly acquired CCW on you. OK, I jest. I wouldn't use my conceal carry weapon, but I MAY use my pepper spray, which would not be a good thing for any others nearby.
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Rats! I was hoping to grasp you by the shoulders with both my hands and shake you until you got a blessing!  
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
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06-25-2012, 05:38 PM
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Re: This Week's Encounters with Legalism
I dare you. Lol
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Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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06-25-2012, 04:34 PM
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Re: This Week's Encounters with Legalism
She screams self-loathing, don't expect her to respect you until you show her that you respect yourself. And even then, don't expect "normal" respect, but twisted pandering.
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06-25-2012, 04:50 PM
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Re: This Week's Encounters with Legalism
ah, ya--I fixed it, sorry.
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06-25-2012, 05:30 PM
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Re: This Week's Encounters with Legalism
Jesus says if a person rejects the peace you bring, you are supposed to shake the dirt off your shoes and move on. If the parent rejects Godly counsel, no need to hang around. Jesus didn't beg for people to get healed. He let those with unbelief stay sick. The way some people think is Jesus made everyone well whether they wanted it or not. Jesus loved people enough to let them make stupid decisions.
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A religious spirit allows people to tolerate hatred and anger under the guise of passion and holiness. Bill Johnson
Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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