America is at Great Risk!

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Romney doubles down on his 47% comment with the "gift" comment. He is done forever.

"He’s not going to be running for anything in the future," said Representative Raúl R. Labrador (R-ID).

I am understanding he will not be asked to speak for the Republican Party ever again.

He is correct, the election was about what government will do for individuals, not about the truth of the finanical mess the we are in, and that it is unstainable. Romney was the right man to lead in the fight to fix the mess, but we shall see where to from here.

You can demonize the man, but he has the experience to help with the finanical mess. But not enough Americans are ready for the hard choices, so just like a family that will not control its spending until they crash, we are on the same course as a nation. And who can truthfully deny that fact???

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Seriously.
What has Obama actually LIED about?

Mistakes happen.
People change their mind (the whole Presidential Seal thing).
What has President Obama actually LIED about?

You made a statement. I want examples of the fact you have presented.

JD, I don't have time to waste on you. You wouldn't believe it if Jesus Christ told you. For you to act like Obama has never lied is one of the most ridiculous statements you've made on AFF. How about, "I'll cut the deficit in half.......!" Oh yes, he really did that now didn't he!

• In 2007, then Senator and candidate Barack Obama was in Spartanburg, SC and told a pro-union audience the following; ”If American workers are being denied their right to organize and collectively bargain when I’m in the White House, I’ll put on a comfortable pair of shoes myself, I’ll will walk on that picket line with you as President of the United States of America. Because workers deserve to know that somebody is standing in their corner.” (When did he do this?")

• In March of this year, the President promised his new gas mileage standards would save the average American household $8000 per year. There is only one small problem with that statement. The average American family spends around $4100 per year on gasoline. And as Stu Burguiere famously pointed out on the Glenn Beck radio show... “spend $3000, save $8000!”

• “Mitt Romney raised nursing home fees eight times.”
Politifact.com

• “We got back every dime we used to rescue the financial system”
cbsnews.com

• “I think it’s important for us to understand that the Fast and Furious program was a field-initiated program begun under the previous administration”
abcnews.com

• I’ve done more for Israel’s security than any President ever.
Obama aided Islamic Extremists take over of Egypt/ Libya – Weapons pour into Gaza

• “Every idea that we’ve put forward are ones that traditionally have been supported by Democrats and Republicans alike.”
Like Raising taxes?

• USA producing more oil than ever before.
Petroleum Insights

Just a small sampling. If you want to check by googling Obama's Lies, you'll find many examples of his lying and proof to back it up. But, that's not what you want to see or believe and you won't see it nor believe it.

So, go ahead and drink "Ole truth telling Obama's Kool aide!" I guess it's okay to believe a lie.

Been Thinkin

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by crakjak

His grandfather set it up for him, it is well documented in the film "2016".
You have turned your post into a personal attack, which is blatantly false, because you do not know me. I am not fearful, I simply am not afraid to statement the obvious. Obama is a leftist, to the extreme, and will govern that way if allowed. He is driven by leftist ideology, not by any training or experience as a chief executive. And I simply disagree very strongly with what he believes to be true, about America and where he is trying to lead it.
Romney is much more experience at dealing with business, which is very much needed, America's business is in a heap of trouble. Americans made a serious mistake with relecting Obama, however, if he turns to the right and moderates his radical leftism, he will savage his reputation and his legacy.

I apologize for turning this into a personal attack.
Please forgive me.

I do think that there are SO MANY PEOPLE that are needlessly fearful and some of them are even hateful towards a President that has had so many lies told about him.

I do think your post reflects fear and bitterness.
I do think that your original post was insulting because it implied that President Obama only won by getting weak and ignorant people to vote for him-- which couldn't be further from the truth.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

JD, I don't have time to waste on you. You wouldn't believe it if Jesus Christ told you. For you to act like Obama has never lied is one of the most ridiculous statements you've made on AFF. How about, "I'll cut the deficit in half.......!" Oh yes, he really did that now didn't he!

• In 2007, then Senator and candidate Barack Obama was in Spartanburg, SC and told a pro-union audience the following; ”If American workers are being denied their right to organize and collectively bargain when I’m in the White House, I’ll put on a comfortable pair of shoes myself, I’ll will walk on that picket line with you as President of the United States of America. Because workers deserve to know that somebody is standing in their corner.” (When did he do this?")

• In March of this year, the President promised his new gas mileage standards would save the average American household $8000 per year. There is only one small problem with that statement. The average American family spends around $4100 per year on gasoline. And as Stu Burguiere famously pointed out on the Glenn Beck radio show... “spend $3000, save $8000!”

• “Mitt Romney raised nursing home fees eight times.”
Politifact.com

• “We got back every dime we used to rescue the financial system”
cbsnews.com

• “I think it’s important for us to understand that the Fast and Furious program was a field-initiated program begun under the previous administration”
abcnews.com

• I’ve done more for Israel’s security than any President ever.
Obama aided Islamic Extremists take over of Egypt/ Libya – Weapons pour into Gaza

• “Every idea that we’ve put forward are ones that traditionally have been supported by Democrats and Republicans alike.”
Like Raising taxes?

• USA producing more oil than ever before.
Petroleum Insights

Just a small sampling. If you want to check by googling Obama's Lies, you'll find many examples of his lying and proof to back it up. But, that's not what you want to see or believe and you won't see it nor believe it.

So, go ahead and drink "Ole truth telling Obama's Kool aide!" I guess it's okay to believe a lie.

Been Thinkin

I will respond to this from home and not at work because it would take too long.

I owe you and DB a response.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

There is one blanket standard for salvation for everyone. Holiness is required. Period. Next.

Jesus is the holiness of God. He paid the price. He satisfied the requirements of salvation. Faith in Jesus, His righteousness and His holiness appropriates salvation to us. Period.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by crakjak

He is correct, the election was about what government will do for individuals, not about the truth of the finanical mess the we are in, and that it is unstainable. Romney was the right man to lead in the fight to fix the mess, but we shall see where to from here.

You can demonize the man, but he has the experience to help with the finanical mess. But not enough Americans are ready for the hard choices, so just like a family that will not control its spending until they crash, we are on the same course as a nation. And who can truthfully deny that fact???

You keep saying he was the right man, but apparently the 3 million Republicans who stayed home from voting didn't share your view. Normally when there aren't enough differences between the two candidates, the challenger loses.

He and Obama have much in common. One being that Romney was the blueprint for the Affordable Healthcare. And some can defend the state's rights issue that Romney "supposedly" sides with, but then he did say, "“I’m proud of what we’ve done. If Massachusetts succeeds in implementing it, then that will be a model for the nation."

The only observation I have, continually, received of him is that he can take two stances, in the same sentence, and pull off only taking one.

Anyway, being it's a done deal, we will see how serious the Republicans really are about our country this go round.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Anyway, being it's a done deal, we will see how serious the Republicans really are about our country this go round.

If your looking for a move further to the right, I'm afraid your going to be disappointed.

The Republicans will be more worried about catering to the millions of independents and moderates than they will about the 3 million that stayed home.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by scotty

If your looking for a move further to the right, I'm afraid your going to be disappointed.

The Republicans will be more worried about catering to the millions of independents and moderates than they will about the 3 million that stayed home.

Christ taught us His commandments and PROPOSED that we keep them. It is our choice, but the consequences are unavoidable. Our government must legislate morally; however, you cannot legislate morality and you should NOT legislate immorality either. The mores of a culture are always local and built upon the Church and the family, not the State.

Also, at issue here is that positive law must comport to Natural Law else it is invalid and this is true even if one is an atheist (although most won't acknowledge such.) The law and the lawmaker's action must be moral, but that does NOT make those under the law including the lawmaker moral, that is up to each of us individually and in community to help each other transcend our own corruption. As far as abortion goes, government has a principle duty to protect life. If governments do not protect life, then why trust them to protect property, etc.?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I apologize for turning this into a personal attack.
Please forgive me.

I do think that there are SO MANY PEOPLE that are needlessly fearful and some of them are even hateful towards a President that has had so many lies told about him.

I do think your post reflects fear and bitterness.
I do think that your original post was insulting because it implied that President Obama only won by getting weak and ignorant people to vote for him-- which couldn't be further from the truth.

You can't deny the fact that self reliant folks tend to vote Republican. I don't have a problem helping the needy and broken, but buying votes by giving stuff away is not the most mature path. Sucking up to the special interest of same sex sins, sins of murdering of the unborn, is the path of weakness!! Your defense of Obama is really shocking, to say the least.