Serena Williams was Right?

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Evenuntodeath

Please Sasha, promise me you won't write any newsarticles any time soon. Your metaphors are HORRIBLE.

Your comments show me that you have a POOR grasp on exactly what rape is.

First, you say a woman being raped is just like someone getting drunk and hitting someone. And then you have the AUDACITY to sit here and compare the vile act of rape to your son's bike being stolen??? This can't be real.




LOOOL, and then you open your scatterbrained mouth AGAIN, to spew more NONSENSE on how a woman being raped is similiar to someone driving drunk and running a red light.

You are a DISGRACE to all womankind.

Have several seats.

Please keep this discussion respectful and not take to throwing insults at people you disagree with. It doesn't show good character, IMO.

I wasn't intended to compare ANY woman raped to other crimes or offenses. I was comparing the responsibility we have to protect ourselves in all situations and when we allow ourselves to get to a point where we cannot do that, I believe we are responsible in part for what may happen. This isn't 'broad brush across the board' of course because I realize situations vary. As a woman, I do what I can to keep myself protected from anything bad that may happen to me.

I don't flash money around. I don't drink to the point of being inebriated. I don't use drugs. I don't disclose my location online and when I'll be leaving town. I don't walk in dark places alone. I don't meet strangers alone. I don't take meds from people I don't trust with my life.

Now, this doesn't mean nothing bad will ever happen to me, however, if I make myself vulnerable through my own actions, I believe I'm somewhat responsible for what happens because I put myself in that situation!

Also realize that what I'm posting is my opinion which I also live by. You may not agree and that's your right but living by what I believe doesn't make me disgraceful and I'm sorry you feel that way.

[Godzchild]

Originally Posted by Sasha

Please keep this discussion respectful and not take to throwing insults at people you disagree with. It doesn't show good character, IMO.

I wasn't intended to compare ANY woman raped to other crimes or offenses. I was comparing the responsibility we have to protect ourselves in all situations and when we allow ourselves to get to a point where we cannot do that, I believe we are responsible in part for what may happen. This isn't 'broad brush across the board' of course because I realize situations vary. As a woman, I do what I can to keep myself protected from anything bad that may happen to me.

I don't flash money around. I don't drink to the point of being inebriated. I don't use drugs. I don't disclose my location online and when I'll be leaving town. I don't walk in dark places alone. I don't meet strangers alone. I don't take meds from people I don't trust with my life.

Now, this doesn't mean nothing bad will ever happen to me, however, if I make myself vulnerable through my own actions, I believe I'm somewhat responsible for what happens because I put myself in that situation!

Also realize that what I'm posting is my opinion which I also live by. You may not agree and that's your right but living by what I believe doesn't make me disgraceful and I'm sorry you feel that way.

consider the source friend~

[Godzchild]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Number 1: Make yourself less of a target. In this, Serena Williams was right on.
Number 2: Make yourself less of a victim! See below.

My only issue with the three ads is that they all show the Glock being stored "securely" until needed. Well, mine is actually ON ME, fully locked and loaded, as I type this.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Godzchild

consider the source friend~

I wish I knew the source. LOL!

It's one thing to consider my opinions faulty. It's another to insult my person based on my opinions and beliefs.

[Evenuntodeath]

Originally Posted by Sasha

Please keep this discussion respectful and not take to throwing insults at people you disagree with. It doesn't show good character, IMO.

I wasn't intended to compare ANY woman raped to other crimes or offenses. I was comparing the responsibility we have to protect ourselves in all situations and when we allow ourselves to get to a point where we cannot do that, I believe we are responsible in part for what may happen. This isn't 'broad brush across the board' of course because I realize situations vary. As a woman, I do what I can to keep myself protected from anything bad that may happen to me.

I don't flash money around. I don't drink to the point of being inebriated. I don't use drugs. I don't disclose my location online and when I'll be leaving town. I don't walk in dark places alone. I don't meet strangers alone. I don't take meds from people I don't trust with my life.

Now, this doesn't mean nothing bad will ever happen to me, however, if I make myself vulnerable through my own actions, I believe I'm somewhat responsible for what happens because I put myself in that situation!

Also realize that what I'm posting is my opinion which I also live by. You may not agree and that's your right but living by what I believe doesn't make me disgraceful and I'm sorry you feel that way.

Sweetheart, I call a spade a spade. If the shoe fits then wear it. In your attempt to try and re educate users YOU are the one who sounds ignorant. Whether you feel I lack character or not is of no consequence to me. Your debate skills show me you are not someone whose opinion I value anyway.

This is what you said:

A girl getting drunk and then getting raped MAY be partially responsible because she was partaking in a situation in which she was unable to control herself. It's no different than someone drinking then driving and killing someone.

A woman drinking has nothing to do with her being raped, considering the numerous women raped while they were sober, yet are unable to fight off their attacker. Drinking is so commonplace in our culture, to condemn anyone for a crime committed against them while they were intoxicated is ABSURD.

A woman bears NO responsibility once she is raped. And comparing a woman being raped to drunk driving or your sons bike being stolen shows lack of sensitivity and grasp of what rape really is.

I find it pathetic you sincerely believe you may bear partial responsiblity if you were ever raped. Its this ignorant mindset is the reason why rape is one of the most unreported crimes in this county.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Evenuntodeath

Sweetheart, I call a spade a spade. If the shoe fits then wear it. In your attempt to try and re educate users YOU are the one who sounds ignorant. Whether you feel I lack character or not is of no consequence to me. Your debate skills show me you are not someone whose opinion I value anyway.

This is what you said:

A girl getting drunk and then getting raped MAY be partially responsible because she was partaking in a situation in which she was unable to control herself. It's no different than someone drinking then driving and killing someone.

A woman drinking has nothing to do with her being raped, considering the numerous women raped while they were sober, yet are unable to fight off their attacker. Drinking is so commonplace in our culture, to condemn anyone for a crime committed against them while they were intoxicated is ABSURD.

A woman bears NO responsibility once she is raped. And comparing a woman being raped to drunk driving or your sons bike being stolen shows lack of sensitivity and grasp of what rape really is.

I find it pathetic you sincerely believe you may bear partial responsiblity if you were ever raped. Its this ignorant mindset is the reason why rape is one of the most unreported crimes in this county.

If I walk through a crowded Brazilian airport with hundred dollar bills hanging out of my back pockets, am I absolved of ANY responsibility WHEN they are stolen by passerby's? In this case the thieves are just as guilty of theft whether they had to use skill and cunning to take those bills, or as in the given example, the money was almost literally handed to them because the original "owner" made it way too easy. But you still think the person who left their cashing hanging out bears NO responsibility?

But like Houston said, I would not be hard on someone after the fact, but I WOULD use it as a lesson to perhaps make it less likely to happen to others.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

If I walk through a crowded Brazilian airport with hundred dollar bills hanging out of my back pockets, am I absolved of ANY responsibility WHEN they are stolen by passerby's? In this case the thieves are just as guilty of theft whether they had to use skill and cunning to take those bills, or as in the given example, the money was almost literally handed to them because the original "owner" made it way too easy. But you still think the person who left their cashing hanging out bears NO responsibility?

But like Houston said, I would not be hard on someone after the fact, but I WOULD use it as a lesson to perhaps make it less likely to happen to others.

I agree. Anyone who is a parent or ever taught children has done the same. We don't blame them after the fact but we teach them how to act so they won't affect others negatively by their actions.

Going back to the conversation though, if anyone has been to a bar, I doubt you have seen conservatively dressed women in there. Add booze to the mix and you have opportunity knocking quite loudly. The woman bears NO responsibility for being taken advantage of because she was too drunk to protect herself but the man is entirely responsible for his actions even though he was also too drunk to think straight??

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Evenuntodeath

Sweetheart, I call a spade a spade. If the shoe fits then wear it. In your attempt to try and re educate users YOU are the one who sounds ignorant. Whether you feel I lack character or not is of no consequence to me. Your debate skills show me you are not someone whose opinion I value anyway.

I can understand if you feel my opinions and beliefs are faulty and stating such, but you bringing my value as a person into play I feel was a low blow considering you don't even know me. In addition, I wasn't debating anything, merely stating my opinions. That's what IMO means, right?

I don't care to converse with someone who doesn't have the ability to keep personal feelings to themselves or feels they can insult someone based on their opinions. Someone told me there is an ignore button and I'm going to use it.

Lastly, your 'sweetheart' was just as sharp as the other knife you used on me earlier. Again, it shows character.

Have a nice day.

[Godzchild]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

If I walk through a crowded Brazilian airport with hundred dollar bills hanging out of my back pockets, am I absolved of ANY responsibility WHEN they are stolen by passerby's? In this case the thieves are just as guilty of theft whether they had to use skill and cunning to take those bills, or as in the given example, the money was almost literally handed to them because the original "owner" made it way too easy. But you still think the person who left their cashing hanging out bears NO responsibility?

But like Houston said, I would not be hard on someone after the fact, but I WOULD use it as a lesson to perhaps make it less likely to happen to others.

[Godzchild]

Originally Posted by Sasha

I can understand if you feel my opinions and beliefs are faulty and stating such, but you bringing my value as a person into play I feel was a low blow considering you don't even know me. In addition, I wasn't debating anything, merely stating my opinions. That's what IMO means, right?

I don't care to converse with someone who doesn't have the ability to keep personal feelings to themselves or feels they can insult someone based on their opinions. Someone told me there is an ignore button and I'm going to use it.

Lastly, your 'sweetheart' was just as sharp as the other knife you used on me earlier. Again, it shows character.

Have a nice day.

character???? I love the ignore button......blessed silence