"Pastor" throws hissy fit

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by n david

potato potAto.

Are you personally offended by the word?

I guess I'm just astounded that people that call each other stupid, moron, etc. (which I would find VERY insulting personally) are offended by such a benign term... and I wonder if it's not just a tiny bit of that Apostolic pretentious thing we've got goin' on.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Are you personally offended by the word?

I guess I'm just astounded that people that call each other stupid, moron, etc. (which I would find VERY insulting personally) are offended by such a benign term... and I wonder if it's not just a tiny bit of that Apostolic pretentious thing we've got goin' on.

Personally, it's no different than other curse words. IIRC the rules here are not to try and use special characters, dollar signs etc, to spell out curse words, so I won't do it. But it's no different than other curse words.

You claim your word is just an honest assessment of the person; others can say the same about a person acting stupid, being a moron, acting like a jerk, etc. It's all subjective to the individual saying it.

[Titus2woman]

OK, I can accept that. Again, I was just surprised when it blanked the word out. To me it seems very mild compared to a lot of the terms I've heard used here. No biggie either way.

[Esaias]

The wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

An overseer must rule his household well, otherwise how will he be able to rule the house of God. (The word rule, if I remember correctly, has to do with persuading, being able to persuade people to do right, not lording it over).

As a result, I would say the preacher needs to step back and pray a bit and seek more wisdom in how to address the issues.

Having said that, I give him kudos for at least having the heart to publicly address issues that apparently need to be addressed, unlike so many churches and ministers who just go along to get along and collect a nice paycheck, not upsetting any apple carts, preaching worldliness and tolerating nonsense.

And the person who claimed 'this is spiritual abuse', get over it. Too much whineyness in America today.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

An overseer must rule his household well, otherwise how will he be able to rule the house of God. (The word rule, if I remember correctly, has to do with persuading, being able to persuade people to do right, not lording it over).

As a result, I would say the preacher needs to step back and pray a bit and seek more wisdom in how to address the issues.

Having said that, I give him kudos for at least having the heart to publicly address issues that apparently need to be addressed, unlike so many churches and ministers who just go along to get along and collect a nice paycheck, not upsetting any apple carts, preaching worldliness and tolerating nonsense.

And the person who claimed 'this is spiritual abuse', get over it. Too much whineyness in America today.

The Pastor was in the wrong in what he did. There are better ways to address these issues than doing so during a regular message in front of the whole congregation, including possible visitors. Not only is the method wrong, but his terms - "one of the worst," "not worth 15 cents," are not becoming a Pastor.

If the Pastor feels he needs to publicly embarrass people, he should call a church meeting outside the times of the normal service.

My Pastor recently had to address an issue involving a minister in the church. After service he stated there would be a short meeting for those who wished to stay. He read a passage from Matthew 18 and had other ministers with him who were witnesses.

I've attended and been involved with many churches during my life, and have seen a few Pastors behave like the one in the video. This was the first time I witnessed a Pastor carefully, methodically, and most important - in love address an issue with a person in ministry. He stated several times that he loved the individual, prayed for them and was available to speak with them at any time. He admonished the church not to gossip or be negative against them, but to greet them in love whenever and wherever they saw them; to pray for them, and to welcome them should they continue to attend the church.

It was incredible to watch. I love my Pastor.

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by houston

Ha. It worked out for you.

Everyone singing "I shall not be moved" got up and ...moved.

Bwahahahahahahahaha

Aint that the truth!!!!

[MarcBee]

Originally Posted by n david

The Pastor was in the wrong in what he did. There are better ways to address these issues than doing so during a regular message in front of the whole congregation, including possible visitors...

Yes, wrong of course, if we're allowed to use our common sense. But consider how in the 50s, 60s, 70s, this kind of rough approach was not uncommon among Apostolic pastors--it (approach) was perceived to have scriptural foundation. What has changed today? Easy--as our social attitudes change, the church is forced to follow along, as always. If only god would have backed up such rough pastorin' like he did with the irrefutable power demonstrated by Peter in Acts 5:5. Or by Paul in 1Cor.5:4-5.

BTW, neither was the NT writer too concerned with what VISITORS thought about things, either, considering that a demonstration of tongues and prophecy was supposed to at times lay bare the secrets of a visitor's heart to the point where he falls down and proclaims that God is among you. (ICor14:25) I never saw that happen, but I'm sure it's claimed somewhere or other today.

[Sister Alvear]

I was once in a Sunday service that the pastor (elder) the term they used told the people off...I was shocked beyond words...Sad that a pastor feels he has this kind of power...

While it is true the pastor is the head of the local church it is also true that common sense needs to be used...

Churches where the overseer, elder, pastor has that kind of freedom to downgrade people bother me...I would not want to be part of something like that whether Pentecostal or Baptist or whatever...

[Sister Alvear]

ALL things require order according to the Bible...Rebuke before all is often used when people don't agree...

[n david]

Originally Posted by MarcBee

Yes, wrong of course, if we're allowed to use our common sense. But consider how in the 50s, 60s, 70s, this kind of rough approach was not uncommon among Apostolic pastors--it (approach) was perceived to have scriptural foundation. What has changed today? Easy--as our social attitudes change, the church is forced to follow along, as always. If only god would have backed up such rough pastorin' like he did with the irrefutable power demonstrated by Peter in Acts 5:5. Or by Paul in 1Cor.5:4-5.

BTW, neither was the NT writer too concerned with what VISITORS thought about things, either, considering that a demonstration of tongues and prophecy was supposed to at times lay bare the secrets of a visitor's heart to the point where he falls down and proclaims that God is among you. (ICor14:25) I never saw that happen, but I'm sure it's claimed somewhere or other today.

I see no comparison from what this man did and anything the Apostles did.

This was done for no other reason than to prove he was "the man," that he had power over everyone there.

Even when Eutychus dozed off and fell out the window, Paul didn't run down, chew him out and berate him in front of everyone. He embraced him and comforted everyone by saying his life was still in him.