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Old 10-02-2013, 01:05 PM
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Old 10-02-2013, 01:11 PM
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Old 10-02-2013, 01:19 PM
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Aquilla you are mixing participles here.

What authority does a Christian man have in Western society?
Well, in all actuality the same as a Muslim man in Western Society.

Regardless of ones religious affiliation, if a man in the west beats his wife, and if said wife is predisposed to calling the police, and pressing charges, the man goes to jail. A muslim cannot appeal to Sharia to escape punishment.

I know a man of African extract. (By 'African' I mean he was born there, then moved here...with his family)

He was born into a devout Christian home. He moved to America with his Wife and after they had been here for some time, his pastor got a call. He was in jail. Why? He beat his wife...she called the police.


Now what you need to know as it relates to your question is, that this man did nothing that would be considered wrong back in Africa where he came from. He didnt leave marks. He didnt beat his wife beyond what was acceptable within the culture they both came from....AS DEVOUT CHRISTIANS...in Africa.

But here they are in America, the wife figured out she was not in the west. Devout Christian or not, you dont get to do that in America.

Fast forward some number of years. They are both still very happily married, they are both very devout in their faith.

The man does not beat his wife...

Christ and his church, nor Muhammad and his god have anything to do with what a man may or may not do in the context of their authority.
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Old 10-02-2013, 01:27 PM
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Aquilla you are mixing participles here.

What authority does a Christian man have in Western society?
Well, in all actuality the same as a Muslim man in Western Society.

Regardless of ones religious affiliation, if a man in the west beats his wife, and if said wife is predisposed to calling the police, and pressing charges, the man goes to jail. A muslim cannot appeal to Sharia to escape punishment.

I know a man of African extract. (By 'African' I mean he was born there, then moved here...with his family)

He was born into a devout Christian home. He moved to America with his Wife and after they had been here for some time, his pastor got a call. He was in jail. Why? He beat his wife...she called the police.


Now what you need to know as it relates to your question is, that this man did nothing that would be considered wrong back in Africa where he came from. He didnt leave marks. He didnt beat his wife beyond what was acceptable within the culture they both came from....AS DEVOUT CHRISTIANS...in Africa.

But here they are in America, the wife figured out she was not in the west. Devout Christian or not, you dont get to do that in America.

Fast forward some number of years. They are both still very happily married, they are both very devout in their faith.

The man does not beat his wife...

Christ and his church, nor Muhammad and his god have anything to do with what a man may or may not do in the context of their authority.
Good point.

I can only see a real difference if we compare Islamic societies to Westernized societies.

But that doesn't really answer my question...

What does the church do in our Westernized society to provide men that sense of identity, responsibility, duty, and authority in the home? Back in the day I felt the need to "govern my home" after a good sermon on being a Christian husband... it sounded really good in church and even the ladies praised God and "Amen-ed" the preacher. However, as soon as we got on the road and began discussing where we were going to go eat... or as soon as we discussed dividing chores and allowing for one of us to get out and do routine vehicle maintenance... it was obvious that it was a lost cause. lol

What is the church doing to help men find their identity... as men? Governors of their homes... and deacons of the church? What tools does the church provide men with relation to their God given roles in both the church and the home?
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Old 10-02-2013, 01:28 PM
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If men started withholding sex or beating their wives in an effort to get them in line....1) there would be a lot more affairs; 2) there were be an even higher number of divorces; 3) there would probably even be a spike in homicides from domestic disputes.
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If men started withholding sex or beating their wives in an effort to get them in line....1) there would be a lot more affairs; 2) there were be an even higher number of divorces; 3) there would probably even be a spike in homicides from domestic disputes.
lol

I see your point.
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Thanks! I clicked on the link and my work PC gave me a "This site is BLOCKED for "Alternative/Sexual" content," in BIG BOLD letters.

What in the world is on that site!?! Maybe I don't want to know!
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Thanks! I clicked on the link and my work PC gave me a "This site is BLOCKED for "Alternative/Sexual" content," in BIG BOLD letters.

What in the world is on that site!?! Maybe I don't want to know!
It's about 'christian domestic discipline', a website devoted to arguing that Christian woman are to submit their husbands, and that the men are to provide discipline, including corporal punishment.

Includes biblical arguments promoting the same.

I didn't find anything graphically offensive, but then I only read one article on 'biblical justification'.
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It's about 'christian domestic discipline', a website devoted to arguing that Christian woman are to submit their husbands, and that the men are to provide discipline, including corporal punishment.

Includes biblical arguments promoting the same.

I didn't find anything graphically offensive, but then I only read one article on 'biblical justification'.
Weird. Then again, filters are a bit touchy and not always correct.
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