Moving To Cleveland!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

EB,
You displayed arrogance by implying that a Trinitarian can't provide "sighted leadership" because they were Trinitarian. That is simply not true.

JD, some could say the same as you, but about their own particular denomination or ism. Yet, the sighted leadership I speak of is what you called the Oneness truth you had gained, but refuse to share among your Trinitarian church family. You really sound a bit confused.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

However, you bring up a valid point about the Baptist guy and the A/G guy and their subjective experiences.

And those dudes are way more passionate then you. Without confusions. They never say they still miss their old roots. The Lubavitcher flat out told me that the Apostle Paul and Jesus Christ were false teachers.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Ultimately, we all need to be guided by the Bible for our decisions.

JD, we can line up denominations from Dan to Beersheba who will say the exact same words. My old friend from my younger days who ended up in Lubavitch I guess would say the same. It is like expecting to rebuild a Cadillac transmission from our feelings on how a transmission should be rebuilt instead of using the OEM manual. You can not only use the manual, but you also need the training by a certified factory mechanic. Yes, you can get by, by being taught by a shade tree mechanic, but still the factory was the originator. The shade tree mechanic might get you down the road for awhile, but TIME proves all things, and what he missed my cost you way more in the long run.

[Jermyn Davidson]

EB,
I am not confused.
It is not beyond me to plainly say that both the A/G and the OP's have Biblical truths that claim to guide their doctrines.

It is not beyond me to plainly admit that the Lord used precious, Holy Spirit filled Christians who are Trinitarian to reach, encourage and teach me in some of my lowest moments.

It is not beyond me to experience all of this and still admit that I miss the OP's.

I miss them. I love them.

But I know why I left them.

I am not confused.

I will go and visit that Apostolic church in Cleveland. I will go and pray with them, sing songs with them, love the Lord with them, count them as my brothers and sisters.

Then, I will visit the A/G church up there too.

I count them as my brothers and sisters too.

[mfblume]

JD, just do not tar all apostolics with the same brush as the ones you had problems with. They are not all like that. That is my concern. It's like you're saying the apostolics have more truth, but they also cannot be found to be without bad problems more than other groups, and that just is not true. There are apostolics who have none of those problems.

[navygoat1998]

EB that is one thing I love about you is that you are very passionate about your core doctrinal beliefs.

I as well am very passionate about my doctrinal core beliefs to the point I don't miss the OP world in the least bit. I destined in my heart 9 years ago when we left that I would not be the shipwrecked Pentecostal.

I have visited my dads church numerous times through the years and it never fails I always asked myself what am I doing here. I don't belong.

You can still be passionate and still be wrong.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by mfblume

JD, just do not tar all apostolics with the same brush as the ones you had problems with. They are not all like that. That is my concern. It's like you're saying the apostolics have more truth, but they also cannot be found to be without bad problems more than other groups, and that just is not true. There are apostolics who have none of those problems.

Bro. Blume,
I won't paint them or the Trinitarians with the same broad brush unless it is the broad brush of brotherhood.

satan is our enemy-- not the A/G, not the UPCI, Way of the Cross, not the other Christian groups who name Christ and follow after Him in the Light that they have. the devil is our enemy.

[votivesoul]

When David's men were calling for Shimei's head, he told them to back off, presuming that perhaps it was the Lord who had sent Shimei to curse him.

When God was looking for an opportunity against the Philistines, he led Samson down a path that didn't make sense or agree with established Torah tradition.

God called Isaiah to wander the land naked as a symbol of the prophetic words the Lord gave him to speak.

I could go on.

The point is, we do well to not stand in God's place to say what or how He may be leading a person, especially one of His own. What we may assume to be wrong or ungodly or unbiblical may be something the Lord is doing that we don't or can't possibly understand.

Things that are impossible with man are possible with God. He brings camels through the eyes of needles all the time.

So why not just let JD rise and fall to His own master without denouncing him?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Bro. Blume,
I won't paint them or the Trinitarians with the same broad brush unless it is the broad brush of brotherhood.

satan is our enemy-- not the A/G, not the UPCI, Way of the Cross, not the other Christian groups who name Christ and follow after Him in the Light that they have. the devil is our enemy.

I agree these folks are not enemies. No flesh is enemy except our own that we deny daily.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

EB,
I am not confused.

John 6:68 Peter told Jesus to whom shall we go? You see, Peter understood that Jesus had the "words" of eternal life. I highly doubt the Trinitarian Charismatics have those words.. The Apostle Paul said that there were those who taught another Jesus and another Gospel. You have already convinced yourself that it is the apostolics who teach another Gospel and have another Jesus. Yet you will have to deal with that when you're time comes. You live in a world where your culture is dripping with Churchdom. Doctrines swell like a tsunami engulfing its ever so willing victims, only to lead them to circle the drain in the end.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

It is not beyond me to plainly say that both the A/G and the OP's have Biblical truths that claim to guide their doctrines.

JD, you can also say Presbyterians and Eastern Greek Orthodox have Biblical Truths to guide their doctrines, but really, who cares. We are talking about something a little more important than which group has nicer MeMaws to offer you their cheesy corn bake during a dinner on the grounds. Because really that what your postings were about. You went to preacher you were struggling, they gave you no solace, and you kept having issues. Therefore you went to Brand X, and they invited you to their nicer than Jesus love in, and you were swept away. One God Pentecostals were put on the pay no mind list and you were twisting by the pool with the Trinitarians. Like Brother Blume posted you can't paint all One God people with the same brush. There are One God Apostolics for everybody.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

It is not beyond me to plainly admit that the Lord used precious, Holy Spirit filled Christians who are Trinitarian to reach, encourage and teach me in some of my lowest moments.

But that's the same things my friends said about the groups they entered. The Krishna's found my friend at his lowest moments. Same thing with the other who entered Hasidim. The Harikrishna was AoG, raised in it. Yet, that's another point, young people being raised in a religion and then thinking another religion is nicer and friendlier. Go from speaking in tongues to chanting Rama Rama, Sri Ram, Hari, Hari Krishna? Then having an opinion that Christians were selfish, and money hungry? JD, you and the Harikrishna ex-AoG have maybe the same situation? Yet, this isn't about who will sit cross legged on the floor with you while listening to your deepest secrets, who will hug you when you walk through the door of the mega church. This is about truth. Like Pontius Pilate told Jesus, what is truth? That my boy, is what you have to get focused on. The Spirit of truth will guide you into all truth, not some of it. AoG have some truths as well as Apostolics? So, Paul warns churches that they had to speak the same thing, and tells another if anyone presented another Gospel that they were irrevocably cursed? John tells the readers of Revelation that if anyone takes away the meaning of his writings lose their salvation?

Looks like somebody better get it together if they are going to chose Christianity as a passtime.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

It is not beyond me to experience all of this and still admit that I miss the OP's.

I miss them. I love them.

Sounds like having a bad girlfriend?

Could you please tell me what you don't like about One God Pentecostals?

But I know why I left them.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I am not confused.

If the OPs were an old girlfriend of your's I would tell you the same thing.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I will go and visit that Apostolic church in Cleveland. I will go and pray with them, sing songs with them, love the Lord with them, count them as my brothers and sisters.

Why did you leave her?

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Then, I will visit the A/G church up there too.

I count them as my brothers and sisters too.

You sound like a playa from the Himalaya

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I agree these folks are not enemies. No flesh is enemy except our own that we deny daily.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

JD, just do not tar all apostolics with the same brush as the ones you had problems with. They are not all like that. That is my concern. It's like you're saying the apostolics have more truth, but they also cannot be found to be without bad problems more than other groups, and that just is not true. There are apostolics who have none of those problems.