Any UPC Ultra Cons Still Around

[Luke]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Judg,emt by our works does not determine heaven or hell. We are judged for heaven or hell by whether or not we get our names in the book of life. Judgment for our works only proves the cross was not applied by faith to cause God to forgive us of our works, for no one can be saved by works.

I agree we are not saved by works that would legalism. Salvation is a free gift from God by grace through faith bought by the blood of Jesus. After we are saved we must live in accordance to the Bible a life of obedience to God. As my question stated earlier I don't think there is one passage in the Bible that teaches final judgement based on your heart but rather on your works because your works reveal your heart. Even in the passage that deals with the book of life and judgement it specificly states all are judged according to their works. Therefore I again ask for any reference to final judgement that says we are judged by heart attituted or condition and not works?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by LifeGuide

This is such truth. I heard one Pentecostal pioneer put it this way. It's the cross (the blood) that saves us. When i think of that sacrifice, I can't help but act or work in a way that leaks Jesus. They will know you by your fruits. Having gardened the last few years. I've grown to appreciate the cultivating (work) process. Not sure if that made sense or not.

Awesome!

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

fmc - I can say that I sort of agree with your premise, but disagree with your conclusions.
The heart is the most important part of living for God. You can have all the outward trappings of a "spiritual" person, but be full of the devil.
However, I have never seen a "spiritual" person who looked like a "devil".
Also, every religious group in this world has "standards".
And there are clear "standards" in the Bible.
Some are not clear, but the principle is there.

So let me get this straight, important things like the GOD head, and salvation are clear as day in the bible, yet we leave things like dress ect. up to not clear principals? Even the word standard isnt a biblical word as it pertains to dress ect. Take things like facial hair. Its clear that Jesus and others had facial hair, yet you get accused of being a biker hippie when you have facial hair. I am not saying you should go around shirtless as a man or have your tattas hanging out if you're a women. But to make it seem like pants on a lady, or short sleeves on a man, are heaven or hell issues it adding to the word of GOD. Do you know what the word says about that?

[aegsm76]

fmc - facial hair? Umm, you must not have heard, UPC now has no "official" issue with facial hair. Matter of fact I was at a men's conference in the last month and out of 500-600 probably 10-20% had facial hair.
Now pants for women? I am sure you know what the word says. With that in mind, when did pants change from men's apparel to women's?

[returnman]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

fmc - facial hair? Umm, you must not have heard, UPC now has no "official" issue with facial hair. Matter of fact I was at a men's conference in the last month and out of 500-600 probably 10-20% had facial hair.
Now pants for women? I am sure you know what the word says. With that in mind, when did pants change from men's apparel to women's?

I sure know. It says that a woman shouldn't wear a mans pants and a man shouldn't wear a woman's pants.

[aegsm76]

Hmmm, so guys wearing dresses are ok, so long as they are men's dresses?
And I ain't talkin about kilts!

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Hmmm, so guys wearing dresses are ok, so long as they are men's dresses?
And I ain't talkin about kilts!

Well they didnt have pants in the bible right? Robes kinda look like dresses.

[Godsdrummer]

Just reading some of these post just reinforces the fact that so many people do not have a clue to what scripture really says on subjects like dress, and hair. Instead they just repeat the party line.

I wonder if people really read the post they write, after they write them, they must not, or they would realize just how juvenile they sound to an outside person.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Luke

I agree we are not saved by works that would legalism. Salvation is a free gift from God by grace through faith bought by the blood of Jesus. After we are saved we must live in accordance to the Bible a life of obedience to God. As my question stated earlier I don't think there is one passage in the Bible that teaches final judgement based on your heart but rather on your works because your works reveal your heart. Even in the passage that deals with the book of life and judgement it specificly states all are judged according to their works. Therefore I again ask for any reference to final judgement that says we are judged by heart attituted or condition and not works?

I would have to agree with Mike, though every man women and child are judged by their works, eternal life is given because our names are written in the lambs book of life.

[returnman]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Just reading some of these post just reinforces the fact that so many people do not have a clue to what scripture really says on subjects like dress, and hair. Instead they just repeat the party line.

I wonder if people really read the post they write, after they write them, they must not, or they would realize just how juvenile they sound to an outside person.

I found it shocking what saints will back just because someone they hold in high esteem said it. After listening to a message once on tape and giving it back I told the individual I didn't think it was right for the man to publicly make fun of another preacher especially by name. He had so "great respect" that he had no problem with it. That was about the last time we shared any such discussion. This dude was over the top.