Initial evidence

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Isn’t that Don’s thought process concerning soteriology? His premise is that with a few verses God has given a plan B for those who have never heard the Gospel. Hence we who continue to point to scripture are somehow limiting God’s forgiveness. Don views you, Esaias, and myself as portraying God as too hard?
Putting God in a box how? Can God have my cat warn me verbally concerning impending doom? Well, we do have a talking donkey and snake in the Bible. Yet, God doesn’t continually use those vehicle to teach mankind. Can God transport us with fiery chariots across the world? We do have a verse? Yet, again this isn’t a mode of transportation for everyone. Rightly dividing the Word of God isn’t putting Him in a box.

I have personally heard animals speak several times in my life.

Mostly they were parrots.

Sometimes they were humans.

[Amanah]

The reason this is important is because if someone thinks they have the Holy Spirit because they have the gift of wisdom, but really they need to speak in tongues, they are being seriously misled.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

The reason this is important is because if someone thinks they have the Holy Spirit because they have the gift of wisdom, but really they need to speak in tongues, they are being seriously mislead.

Excellently put.

[Amanah]

Pls seriously help me pray about this. I believe God can turn this around. I believe God can bring a revelation of truth, agree with me in Jesus name.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Pls seriously help me pray about this. I believe God can turn this around. I believe God can bring a revelation of truth, agree with me in Jesus name.

Praying in Jesus name

[Amanah]

One of the CACI Elders wives liked the FB post and sent me this link in agreement.

https://alifeofholiness.wordpress.co...taqcd4wE7wHHbw

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An excerpt from her book:

"There is a lot of confusion out there regarding speaking in other tongues. Some people believe tongues is necessary for salvation, some believe that tongues is a gift that only certain people receive, some believe that tongues is a prayer language, and some believe tongues is demonic.

The truth is, the infilling of the Holy Spirit is necessary for salvation, and speaking in tongues is the evidence of that."

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Amanah

One of the CACI Elders wives liked the FB post and sent me this link in agreement.

https://alifeofholiness.wordpress.co...taqcd4wE7wHHbw

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An excerpt from her book:

"There is a lot of confusion out there regarding speaking in other tongues. Some people believe tongues is necessary for salvation, some believe that tongues is a gift that only certain people receive, some believe that tongues is a prayer language, and some believe tongues is demonic.

The truth is, the infilling of the Holy Spirit is necessary for salvation, and speaking in tongues is the evidence of that."

That's good news

[Tithesmeister]

We still have no direct evidence of speaking in tongues being the initial evidence. It may be helpful to wonder why prophesying is not considered the initial evidence. Prophesying certainly accompanies receiving the Holy Ghost in several instances in the New Testament.

What if they are both evidence? I think we have as much scriptural evidence for prophesying being a sign. And Joel said your sons and daughters will prophesy. He didn’t say they would speak in tongues.

I’m just trying to thoroughly vet the doctrine.

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

We still have no direct evidence of speaking in tongues being the initial evidence. It may be helpful to wonder why prophesying is not considered the initial evidence. Prophesying certainly accompanies receiving the Holy Ghost in several instances in the New Testament.

What if they are both evidence? I think we have as much scriptural evidence for prophesying being a sign. And Joel said your sons and daughters will prophesy. He didn’t say they would speak in tongues.

I’m just trying to thoroughly vet the doctrine.

TM, the narrative in the Bible is not a set of stories units, listing all details of all events happening in it so you can do criminal-style investigation, or worse, mathematical proofs. It is narrative, ancient theological narrative. If what you are looking for is a perfect uniform listing of evidences on every single story unit, you won't find it.

You need to see what Luke is trying to communicate to you, and what he references to when he skips details and instead just allude to something. Here is the hint: all conversions in Acts have an implicit reference to the experience in Acts 2. Chapter 1 and 2 of Acts is the foundation of the Biblical theology of the rest of the book, and you can understand that by study Acts as an ancient narrative of an author called Luke with his narrative style.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by coksiw

TM, the narrative in the Bible is not a set of stories units, listing all details of all events happening in it so you can do criminal-style investigation, or worse, mathematical proofs. It is narrative, ancient theological narrative. If what you are looking for is a perfect uniform listing of evidences on every single story unit, you won't find it.

You need to see what Luke is trying to communicate to you, and what he references to when he skips details and instead just allude to something. Here is the hint: all conversions in Acts have an implicit reference to the experience in Acts 2. Chapter 1 and 2 of Acts is the foundation of the Biblical theology of the rest of the book, and you can understand that by study Acts as an ancient narrative of an author called Luke with his narrative style.

So. Give me stronger evidence that tongues is the initial evidence than the evidence for prophecy. I’m not saying tongues is not the initial evidence. What I am saying is that there is no evidence from scripture that tongues is THE initial evidence. And I’m not just talking about Acts. I’m talking about the entire Bible.

Here’s why. If it is so important that we each individually speak in tongues, why doesn’t the words of God say that explicitly?

Another thing: Does speaking in tongues mean you are saved?