Divine Flesh - Post Resurrection

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Originally Posted by ApostolicTexas

I was using scripture to describe the BODY OF CHRIST....do you deny this too?

How on earth does my statement deny the church is His body? Please answer my points. I am saying that in Phil 3:21 the BODY is NOT THE CHURCH in that verse. Otherwise the church is vile. Do you believe the church is a vile body?

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Originally Posted by ApostolicTexas

Let us look at what Stephen saw..Bro Blume you quoted Acts 7:56..but if you back up one it tells what He saw...

7:55-But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

He saw Jesus standing, brother.

He saw the glory of God...He did not see a literal man standing on a giant right hand..surely you do not believe it like that?

Who would get that idea out of what I said???? God has no right hand physically because He is omnipresent. Let's not get into a class on "God's Nature 101". That is kindergarten.

The right hand of God is POWER. And many SAW God's glory before. It has been described as Christ shining in LIGHT, etc. Stephen saw Jesus in that position of GLORY. This is similar to the experience of Christ on the Mount of Transfiguration.

How can someone see the glory of God? 2 Cor 4:6

You need to read morfe scritpure, my good brother.

Watch:

Luk 9:32 KJV But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him.

For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

KNOWLEDGE OF GLORY is not GLORY.

Stephen saw a vision as well...He saw the glory of God..a vision..surely your not making it physical here too?

Visions are sometimes literal and sometimes not literal.

Act 9:12 KJV And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.

Was the above not fulfilled LITERALLY? Sure it was.

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Originally Posted by ApostolicTexas

I had a nice long response only to be timed out and lost it..may respond may not..I do not have a lot of time..lol..I guess the one thing that sticks out in your post that I want to see you prove


"In fact, there is solid evidence that He retains it since we shall see Him again! "

My scripture 1 Tim 1:17 vs yours?

1 Tim 1:17????

That is speaking of GOD -- DEITY. God was eternally invisible! He never was seen. Only His manifestation in flesh was seen.

I gave all the evidence already in my posts about how He retained his physical body. Like I said, we can say the Bible does NOT say an infinite number of things are NOT possible. So one would be amiss to say your thought is correct because the bible does NOT say He lost His body.

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Originally Posted by mfblume

1 Tim 1:17????

That is speaking of GOD -- DEITY. God was eternally invisible! He never was seen. Only His manifestation in flesh was seen.

I gave all the evidence already in my posts about how He retained his physical body. Like I said, we can say the Bible does NOT say an infinite number of things are NOT possible. So one would be amiss to say your thought is correct because the bible does NOT say He lost His body.

I agree he retained his physical body up till the acension..those apostles were the last ones to ever see it.This has been my point

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Originally Posted by mfblume

How on earth does my statement deny the church is His body? Please answer my points. I am saying that in Phil 3:21 the BODY is NOT THE CHURCH in that verse. Otherwise the church is vile. Do you believe the church is a vile body?

Then why did you use it to add to the discussion of my presentation of what the Bible describes the BODY OF CHRIST today?..had NOTHING to do with it

To anwser your question....No the church is not a vile Body..the CHURCH is the BODY OF CHRIST..scripture plainly teaches this my brother

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He saw Jesus standing, brother.

Your getting physical here..Did He see a literal physical body?

Who would get that idea out of what I said???? God has no right hand physically because He is omnipresent. Let's not get into a class on "God's Nature 101". That is kindergarten

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I agree...God has no hand ..Stephen saw the glory

The right hand of God is POWER. And many SAW God's glory before. It has been described as Christ shining in LIGHT, etc. Stephen saw Jesus in that position of GLORY. This is similar to the experience of Christ on the Mount of Transfiguration.

So how do you still retain Jesus is still physical after what you said here?Meaning still dwelling in the same body he left with?

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Originally Posted by ApostolicTexas

I agree he retained his physical body up till the acension..those apostles were the last ones to ever see it.This has been my point

But you fail to see how God is described in 1 Tim as invisible as he eternally has been, while at the same time duringt he earthly walk of Christ he was manifest in flesh. This tells us that even now He still retains a physicla body while at the same time His Spirit is immortal and invisible. Nothing in 1 Tim denies His physical body still exists.

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Originally Posted by ApostolicTexas

Then why did you use it to add to the discussion of my presentation of what the Bible describes the BODY OF CHRIST today?..had NOTHING to do with it

Phil 3:21 has everything to do with the issue, because the reaosn you are saying all of this regarding Christ is because you are trying to say we have no physical resurrection. Phil 3:21 says that Christ's physical experience is going to be repeated in each of us. That means we wil have a physical resurrection.

You speak about the CHURCH when I refer to our bodies, as in Phil 3:21.

To anwser your question....No the church is not a vile Body..the CHURCH is the BODY OF CHRIST..scripture plainly teaches this my brother

Then Phil 3:21 is not talking about the body being the Church, which leaves us to conclude it is speaking of our physical bodies. And since it says our bodies will be fashioned like to His, we understand His was CHANGED in the tomb into an immortal one. This will repeat itself in us. This means our bodies will change physically and be made immortal.

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Originally Posted by ApostolicTexas

Your getting physical here..Did He see a literal physical body?

You cannot see a body if it is not physical. What about my response to you that MEN DID SEE HIS GLORY when you questioned that and asked where did they ever see His glory?

I agree...God has no hand ..Stephen saw the glory

As men physically saw it as I quoted to you, when you said it cannot be seen physically.

Your getting physical here..Did He see a literal physical body?

Of course He did... .just as over 500 saw it after His resurrection. And you never responded to my note how that Paul joined himself to the group of over 500 when Paul referred to his experience in Acts 9, indicating Paul saw the same thing the 500 did. Not something different. All this, includiong the fact that the bible does not say He lost his physical body, tells us He retained it.

So how do you still retain Jesus is still physical after what you said here?Meaning still dwelling in the same body he left with?

Stephen saw his glory just as men saw the glory physically beforehand. And Stephen saw Jesus enough to recognize Him as Jesus, just as men did beforehand. This vision has all the elements of everything the 500, and others, saw. Add that to the fact that the bible says nothing about Him losing his physical body, and it all is the only sensible conclusion.

One has to add to the Bible in order to say the bible shows He does not still have that spiritual physical body.

Originally Posted by mfblume

Amen. Stephen saw it, too!

Shalom Shalom

Jesus is the Kingdom of GOD and Kingdom of Heaven.Be it that the Heaven was opened up be it then ,how can one of the naked eye see into what percieves as heavenly bodies above our heads,NOT.Moses saw the hinder parts of GOD ,does this mean he saw the back side of GOD?YES in perspective he saw the day of Christ being GOD manifested in flesh.SO Stephen imagination gave way to insight that Jesus is GOD a living SOUL ,the Law and Word by Jewish meaning and Theology.Ben Yoseph ,Ben David


Heavenly Flesh definition is soley one created by the Apostolic oneness groups .To promote what they deem as real instead of what is actually real doctrine.Catholics and Protestants really dont use this phrase or word and definition to difine Dualism or fully man and fully God.Apostolics simply borrow dualism from the catholics and claim it being biblical as they do.


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