Firearms Refresher Course

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

I met a guy once who had all those scriptures written on his arm under his long-sleeved shirts. He said that the long sleeves were a covering for him, and that his sleeves, his wife's long, uncut hair and his television-free living room would protect him from knives, bullets, and surly drive-through cashiers.

But only so long as his Pastor didn't advertise on television.

L&F I guess Carl has run out of road. oloroid

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

It's a nice thought, but today's 2nd amendment movement is itself watered down and of no effect to the true goals of the 2nd amendment.

The 2nd amendment is not about self-defense against robbers, rapists, and "disgruntled former employees." (How can I be disgruntled? I never felt gruntled to begin with! ) It's about the citizenry's ability to overthrow the military arm of a government system turned tyrannical. In the 1700s, the state of the art of war was long muskets, bayonets, and cannons. Private citizens could own the same armament that governments possessed. It is not so today.

The hunting, sport shooting, and self defense weapons available to the American public would be no match for the armament of our military and police. Innovations in armor, munitions, and targeting systems in use by the military and police makes our duck guns and anti-mugger revolvers as obsolete as longbows and broadswords.

It is pure fantasy that a town's worth of civic-minded armed men would last more than a few weeks against the federales. The citizens don't have access to machine guns, grenades, and chemical weapons, nor are they (generally) well-organized or well-trained.

It is usually forgotten by most, even before they don their rose-colored glasses to look nostalgically at America's founding struggle, that the American revolution would have been thoroughly a rout if it were not for aid from foreign governments.

Rip those glasses off your face, stare the globalism movement right in the eye, and discern the unlikelihood that a small armed American resistance could form relations with, and receive aid from, another nation.

Using this logic, we should allow citizens to purchase military grade weapons. As for police, there are a lot of cops being killed by hand guns and rifles in America. Seems those kinds of guns still have a certain amount of effectiveness. Additionally it's not always the gun, but the ammo.

In any case, I believe in gun control but I don't believe in the elimination of guns. We need some sort of control or regulation to keep guns out of the hands of felons and the mentally unstable. But it's a pipe dream to make it illegal to own a firearm and think that is going to fix Americas problems when the vast majority of those crimes are doing by people who don't care if it's legal or not, probably stole the gun and or would just pick up another gun in a new growing black market. It's for that reason I support citizens, without records and who are mentally stable to be able to own firearms for protection against criminals. The Police can't do it, they only show up AFTER someone is blown away

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

L&F I guess Carl has run out of road. oloroid

Yep! The dog not barking always speaks volumes.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

EXACTLY!! So why is this on an Apostolic forum?? Think about what YOU asked....

Where is it required that an Apostolic forum ONLY discuss what Jesus did? I don't see you asking this point in other threads that have nothing to do with being apostolic or about what Jesus did

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Where is it required that an Apostolic forum ONLY discuss what Jesus did? I don't see you asking this point in other threads that have nothing to do with being apostolic or about what Jesus did

That is not what I meant. Think about it....

[Esther]

I think some of you folks completely missed the concept of what Jesus was saying.

Turn the other cheek. About what. Things that offend you.

Now IF Jesus was against you protecting your family by force, then answer me why He is coming back with an army to defend His chosen people, by force? KILLING His peoples enemys. Why doesn't He just turn the other cheek?

Tell me why when David's family and his men were captured and he went after them why God gave him victory IF he was against him protecting his family by force. Killing his enemy.

You have got to learn to understand the Principal of what He is teaching us.

Hope this helps.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

That is not what I meant. Think about it....

Sure seems like it

EXACTLY!! So why is this on an Apostolic forum?? Think about what YOU asked....

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Where is it required that an Apostolic forum ONLY discuss what Jesus did? I don't see you asking this point in other threads that have nothing to do with being apostolic or about what Jesus did

I guess discussing prize fighting will be next? The idea is having saints of the PRINCE of PEACE involved in it.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Esther

I think some of you folks completely missed the concept of what Jesus was saying.

Turn the other cheek. About what. Things that offend you.

Now IF Jesus was against you protecting your family by force, then answer me why He is coming back with an army to defend His chosen people, by force? KILLING His peoples enemys. Why doesn't He just turn the other cheek?

Tell me why when David's family and his men were captured and he went after them why God gave him victory IF he was against him protecting his family by force. Killing his enemy.

You have got to learn to understand the Principal of what He is teaching us.

Hope this helps.

NT SCRIPTURE??

[Praxeas]

If it was just me, maybe I'd not fight back, but If I had a wife....kids....I'd use a gun to defend them rather than see them harmed in anyway