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02-27-2007, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Is someone one rapture ready at repentance ... ie ... they repent ... and the trumpet blows ????
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NOPE ye MUST be born again. The Holy Ghost is what will quicken or resurrect our mortal bodies. Onlt hose who have the earnest or firstfruits will go in the rapture. Take more than repentance alone to be in the church. And ONLY the church will be raptured.
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02-27-2007, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
NOPE ye MUST be born again. The Holy Ghost is what will quicken or resurrect our mortal bodies. Onlt hose who have the earnest or firstfruits will go in the rapture. Take more than repentance alone to be in the church. And ONLY the church will be raptured.
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under your view then Elder... being justified after ... baptism ... if someone repented and was baptized ... and had not yet been baptized w/ the HG AND THE TRUMPET SOUNDS ... are they saved?????
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02-27-2007, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
under you view then ... being justified after ... baptism ... if someone repented and was baptized ... and had not yet been baptized w/ the HG AND THE TRUMPET SOUNDS ... are they saved?????
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NO. Because the HG is the promised earnest of our inheritance. IF you do not have it, you do not have eternal life.
See the problem in your senerio is that the only reason a person would not receive the Holy Ghost is if they did not repent, or have unrepented sin in their heart, or they do not have faith.
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02-27-2007, 10:03 PM
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NO. Because the HG is the promised earnest of our inheritance. IF you do not have it, you do not have eternal life.
See the problem in your senerio is that the only reason a person would not receive the Holy Ghost is if they did not repent, or have unrepented sin in their heart, or they do not have faith.
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so they would have been justified, declared righteous, under your view but not caught up in the sky ... interesting ...
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02-27-2007, 10:06 PM
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His word burns in my heart like a fire...Fire Fall Down
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
so they would have been justified, declared righteous, under your view but not caught up in the sky ... interesting ...
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So they are acquitted and declared not guilty, but they burn in hell? huh? that doesn't sound like the GOOD news, sounds like terrible news to me! 
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02-27-2007, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
so they would have been justified, declared righteous, under your view but not caught up in the sky ... interesting ...
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I can go and wash my friends car, but that does not make it my car. It is when the car is titled in my name that it becomes mine.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
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02-27-2007, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
under your view then Elder... being justified after ... baptism ... if someone repented and was baptized ... and had not yet been baptized w/ the HG AND THE TRUMPET SOUNDS ... are they saved?????
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No one will go in the rapture that has NOT been born again of water and The Spirit.
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02-27-2007, 10:10 PM
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Can you have the Holy Ghost living in you (after you have repented and been baptized) if you haven't spoken in tongues?
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02-27-2007, 10:11 PM
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We're mainly just disagreeing then, as to when the "title" transfers. 
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Last edited by ManOfWord; 02-27-2007 at 10:15 PM.
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02-27-2007, 10:11 PM
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His word burns in my heart like a fire...Fire Fall Down
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I can go and wash my friends car, but that does not make it my car. It is when the car is titled in my name that it becomes mine.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. |
As long as they believe that the Spirit of God is only when they speak in tongues, they will always believe you are hell bound if you dont speak in tongues...that's the issue here.
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