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Old 08-20-2007, 11:06 PM
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I've said why. Same reason why I say you are wrong to say natures and not Nature when speaking of God. Anyone that knows theology would read that and say you are polytheistic or just don't know what you are saying.

The Trinity is three persons and ONE nature. The moment it becomes three natures and three persons is when it is literaly tritheism....until then it's either Trinitarianism or modified tritheism (haha)
Human nature has natures (attributes, characteristics, makes no difference what word is used), but I'm still just one person.

God can have several natures (attributes, characteristics, makes no difference what word is used), but He's still just one God.
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Old 08-20-2007, 11:07 PM
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Well now we all know women are never wrong ,just ask one.
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According to dictionary.com, 'nature' and 'characteristic' can be synonymous in definition. This is why I made such a statement.

Being omnipresent is a nature of God. It's a characteristic that belongs only to Him.

Humans have several natures (characteristics) that make us human as well. This doesn't make us super human, nor are we pluralistic in having many natures.

But what you said above is also true, according to the definition.
According to Dictioary.com this is how most people discussiong theology uses the word nature

the particular combination of qualities belonging to a person, animal, thing, or class by birth, origin, or constitution; native or inherent character: human nature.
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Old 08-20-2007, 11:10 PM
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According to dictionary.com, 'nature' and 'characteristic' can be synonymous in definition. This is why I made such a statement.

Being omnipresent is a nature of God. It's a characteristic that belongs only to Him.

Humans have several natures (characteristics) that make us human as well. This doesn't make us super human, nor are we pluralistic in having many natures.

But what you said above is also true, according to the definition.
What I saw was that character is synonomous with nature. However by DEFINITION nature means the sum total of those charactoristics or attributes that makes someone or something waht they are or describes HOW they exist
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na·ture /ˈneɪtʃər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ney-cher] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. the material world, esp. as surrounding humankind and existing independently of human activities.
2. the natural world as it exists without human beings or civilization.
3. the elements of the natural world, as mountains, trees, animals, or rivers.
4. natural scenery.
5. the universe, with all its phenomena.
6. the sum total of the forces at work throughout the universe.
7. reality, as distinguished from any effect of art: a portrait true to nature.
8. the particular combination of qualities belonging to a person, animal, thing, or class by birth, origin, or constitution; native or inherent character: human nature.
9. the instincts or inherent tendencies directing conduct: a man of good nature.
10. character, kind, or sort: two books of the same nature.
11. characteristic disposition; temperament: a self-willed nature; an evil nature.
12. the original, natural, uncivilized condition of humankind.
13. the biological functions or the urges to satisfy their requirements.
14. a primitive, wild condition; an uncultivated state.
15. a simple, uncluttered mode of life without the conveniences or distractions of civilization: a return to nature.
16. (initial capital letter, italics) a prose work (1836), by Ralph Waldo Emerson, expounding transcendentalism.
17. Theology. the moral state as unaffected by grace.
—Idioms18. by nature, as a result of inborn or inherent qualities; innately: She is by nature a kindhearted person.
19. in a state of nature, a. in an uncivilized or uncultured condition.
b. without clothes; nude; naked.

20. of or in the nature of, having the character or qualities of: in the nature of an apology.


We can see by the bolded definitions above that nature can be both the combination of qualities as well as a singular quality in a person. Both are right.
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According to Dictioary.com this is how most people discussiong theology uses the word nature

the particular combination of qualities belonging to a person, animal, thing, or class by birth, origin, or constitution; native or inherent character: human nature.
Dictionary.com said that? I posted the entire definition, but there is nothing about those who discuss theology.
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Ok, so while you didn't say I was wrong, you did believe I was wrong, right?
I don't THINK you were wrong in what you were trying to convey. I THINK it was conveyed in a mannor that can be misinterpreted by others.
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What I saw was that character is synonomous with nature. However by DEFINITION nature means the sum total of those charactoristics or attributes that makes someone or something waht they are or describes HOW they exist
I posted all 20 definitions.
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Dictionary.com said that? I posted the entire definition, but there is nothing about those who discuss theology.
I posted that definition twice now. Theologically speaking that is what WE mean when WE say Nature...the sum total of characteristics or attributes of person or thing.
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I posted all 20 definitions.
and I posted the one that most theologians are using when they are dialoging on theology :-)
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