***Bombshell: ALJC vs. NCO Battle Royale: The NCO/AWCF strike back ***

[ChTatum]

St Matt,
I know you do not agree with all, and you have my respect.

As to interpretation, I believe there is some latitude, but when men of God make things salvational that scripture does not, there is a problem.

[papapraiz]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Bishop Rowe was a protege of Haywood-Tobin a Bishop in the PAW for years and in the UPC in the early years. But in the early 50's he got off into this teaching. The late R.C. Cavaness said he was one of the greatest teachers he ever heard. Back then at Midway they had over a 1,000 folks. It was sad he died broken he felt he would pull a large number out but he did not althoug he affected a few like Bishop Hancock of Detroit. Bishop Little who was the original secretary of the AWCF was out of Hancock's church I asked him on the platform of Melvin's Boyd's church at Nashville if he was Oneness he went around the barn several times and never answered. This movement is a joke it is an umbrella for:
Adam doctrine
Spiritual Communion doctrine
Divine Flesh doctrine
that was founded by a man who taught 2 in the Godhead and the secretary believed the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

I have heard this term used recently after a church communion service. What is SPIRITUAL COMMUNION?

Does anyone know the origin of this doctrine and how is it refuted?

[timlan2057]

Originally Posted by CC1

Luckily for a lot of Pentecostal "scholars" these "distance learning" degrees are becoming in vogue and are gaining credibility due to the endeavors of onl line Institutions like the "University of Phoenix" and the online offerings of many Colleges and Universities.

The truth though is that a lot of the degrees bandied about by Pentecostal preachers are either honorary or from diploma mills.

Sounds to me like Hutchins' "doctorate" has about as much credibility as Fred Foster's.

Maybe our old Bible school mate Jim Griffin could comment here since he is a spokesman for the NCO.

My hat is off to Jim as a oneness pentecostal with REAL academic credentials since leaving JCM.

Jim has a juris doctorate from South Texas College of Law in Houston ... one of the most revered law schools in the state of Texas.

My personal feelings is the title "New Church Order" is a bit lame and unoriginal.

Has anyone ever commented that it is just a spin off of Pro 'Rasslin?

In one long-running script - Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage etc. were part of the NWO ... New World Order ... with the black T-shirts, etc.

In some ways it's like Mozart playing "Achy-Breaky Heart" for Kenneth Phillips to be associated with a weak rip-off of an organizational name from a staged pro wrestling comedy sideshow.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by timlan2057

Sounds to me like Hutchins' "doctorate" has about as much credibility as Fred Foster's.

Maybe our old Bible school mate Jim Griffin could comment here since he is a spokesman for the NCO.

My hat is off to Jim as a oneness pentecostal with REAL academic credentials since leaving JCM.

Jim has a juris doctorate from South Texas College of Law in Houston ... one of the most revered law schools in the state of Texas.

My personal feelings is the title "New Church Order" is a bit lame and unoriginal.

Has anyone ever commented that it is just a spin off of Pro 'Rasslin?

In one long-running script - Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage etc. were part of the NWO ... New World Order ... with the black T-shirts, etc.

In some ways it's like Mozart playing "Achy-Breaky Heart" for Kenneth Phillips to be associated with a weak rip-off of an organizational name from a staged pro wrestling comedy sideshow.

I appreciate how plainly you address the issue, Timlan. I wondered about this earlier but someone offered an alternate suggestion for how the name came about.

Either way, whether from the ranks of Pro-Wrestling or from the underground of comic book conspiracies - just from a PR standpoint I think they would be well served to consider a new name.

"A New Church Order" might be a catchy tag line as long as you don't beat it to death. But I would be hesitant to sign on to any group that didn't take itself more seriously. No offense intended NCO guys, just my opinion of the name.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by timlan2057

My personal feelings is the title "New Church Order" is a bit lame and unoriginal.

Has anyone ever commented that it is just a spin off of Pro 'Rasslin?

In one long-running script - Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage etc. were part of the NWO ... New World Order ... with the black T-shirts, etc.

In some ways it's like Mozart playing "Achy-Breaky Heart" for Kenneth Phillips to be associated with a weak rip-off of an organizational name from a staged pro wrestling comedy sideshow.

It's my understanding that the name was originated by KP.

[timlan2057]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

It's my understanding that the name was originated by KP.

Did he have some black T-shirts made up for everyone to wear?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by timlan2057

Did he have some black T-shirts made up for everyone to wear?

No, not that I know of... but Hutchins at CoC is very good at marketing ... they have some really cool "Evolve" black t-shirts in their bookstore ... I bought one. Why don't you come down and visit us, TimLan, we'll get you one and ...maybe we can have dinner along with JG?

[timlan2057]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

No, not that I know of... but Hutchins at CoC is very good at marketing ... they have some really cool "Evolve" black t-shirts in their bookstore ... I bought one. Why don't you come down and visit us, TimLan, we'll get you one and ...maybe we can have dinner along with JG?

I'd like that.

Uh ... the dinner, not the t-shirt.

I'll keep you posted.

I love Houston and I'm there several times a year.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by timlan2057

I'd like that.

Uh ... the dinner, not the t-shirt.

I'll keep you posted.

I love Houston and I'm there several times a year.

Cool beans ... I'd love to pick your brain ... especially on Yadon and PCI doctrine.

[papapraiz]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Bishop Rowe was a protege of Haywood-Tobin a Bishop in the PAW for years and in the UPC in the early years. But in the early 50's he got off into this teaching. The late R.C. Cavaness said he was one of the greatest teachers he ever heard. Back then at Midway they had over a 1,000 folks. It was sad he died broken he felt he would pull a large number out but he did not althoug he affected a few like Bishop Hancock of Detroit. Bishop Little who was the original secretary of the AWCF was out of Hancock's church I asked him on the platform of Melvin's Boyd's church at Nashville if he was Oneness he went around the barn several times and never answered. This movement is a joke it is an umbrella for:
Adam doctrine
Spiritual Communion doctrine
Divine Flesh doctrine
that was founded by a man who taught 2 in the Godhead and the secretary believed the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!
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I have heard this term used recently after a church communion service. What is SPIRITUAL COMMUNION?

Does anyone know the origin of this doctrine and how is it refuted?