UPC Dist. Supt. Forbidding Pastors from Advertising!!!!!!!!!! - Page 7

James Griffin · #61 10-15-2007, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Thad

what will "exorcise" this spirit of intolerance as you refer to ?

A place to start would be realization that the OFFICIAL Articles of Faith contain the following "unity clause" with the Fundamental Doctrine statement:

. We shall endeavor to keep the unity of the Spirit until we all come into the unity of the faith, at the same time admonishing all brethren that they shall not contend for their different views to the disunity of the body. "

Without this Fundamental Doctrine (lifted directly from the Articles of Faith,) the two organizations which merged to form the UNITED Pentecostal Church would not have done so.

In 1992, resolutions were passed which attacked this foundational premise, the fruit of which will continue to be harvested until brethren realize that there are different views in the Apostolic movement, and neither view should be contended to the point of disunity of the body.

IF a DS were to try to superimpose his belief system over that of the majority vote of the national organization, it would merely be a perpetuation of what was birthed then.

To stop this further fragmentation would require nothing less than a groundswell movement to embrace this unity clause concept with something more than lipservice.

James Griffin · #62 10-15-2007, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

I get calls from old friends in it all the time that tell me they saw me on somebodies program. How can they watch me if they do not have a TV?

You doubt the ability of such spiritual men to see visions by the Holy Spirit!!

ThePastorsCoach · #63 10-15-2007, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by James Griffin

You doubt the ability of such spiritual men to see visions by the Holy Spirit!!

Oh - SORRY! LOL

Truly Blessed · #64 10-15-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by James Griffin

A place to start would be realization that the OFFICIAL Articles of Faith contain the following "unity clause" with the Fundamental Doctrine statement:

. We shall endeavor to keep the unity of the Spirit until we all come into the unity of the faith, at the same time admonishing all brethren that they shall not contend for their different views to the disunity of the body. "

Without this Fundamental Doctrine (lifted directly from the Articles of Faith,) the two organizations which merged to form the UNITED Pentecostal Church would not have done so.

In 1992, resolutions were passed which attacked this foundational premise, the fruit of which will continue to be harvested until brethren realize that there are different views in the Apostolic movement, and neither view should be contended to the point of disunity of the body.

IF a DS were to try to superimpose his belief system over that of the majority vote of the national organization, it would merely be a perpetuation of what was birthed then.

To stop this further fragmentation would require nothing less than a groundswell movement to embrace this unity clause concept with something more than lipservice.

I wholeheartedly agree with your conclusion here. While arguing the intent of the Fundamental Doctrine statement as it concerns "full" salvation, they seem to overlook or downplay the weight of the statement on unity. I also find it interesting that those who were strongest in pushing through the AS resolution, now find themselves in the position of having to decide whether they should stay or not. IMHO, it would have been better for the UPCI had they been the ones who left in the 90's, since everyone knew it was inevitable that they would ultimately find the org. too liberal for them anyway and end up leaving.

MrsMcD · #65 10-15-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

well I feel better. I dont mind a DS sending a letter stating clearly that NO TV in the home is the standard, as this is still the standard.

Nor do I have an issue with a DS sending a letter telling those in his district that he personally is opposed to running ads.

neither smaks of being a bully nor of defying the will of the National body.

I can see a DS stating that he prefers no TV in the home but to ask pastors not to advertise on TV after it has been approved by the UPCI doesn't make much sense.

Ferd · #66 10-15-2007, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

For preachers or for the average UPC church goer?

Preachers. the bylaws are about preachers.

COOPER · #67 10-15-2007, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

I am NOT surprised! I told our former DS (when he began to tell me where I could preach and who I BETTER NOT fellowship) I love you, I honor you as the District Superintendent - but you are NOT my Bishop and you cannot tell me who I can fellowship and who I CANNOT preach for.
I preached on TV and Radio and was on Rod Parsleys and TD Jakes platform every time they came to town and there were UPC people that ran to their pastors and told them and then it would get the DS all wound up.
It is all about control. They are only doing what they have learned from the unlearned ones before them. Those tactics will NOT work in the 21st century.

BULLS EYE!