Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Your obvously missing the point regarding ornaments can mean more then just jewelry, but can include clothing????

Do you attend a church where ties and colorful dresses are worn?

Difference: The Bible does not say "not with clothes" [which is silly anyway...spare me I Ptr. 3]. But it does explicitly state: "Not with gold jewelry, pearls, or costly apparel." Do you believe those words addressed to the NT church:__________? Y, or N?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Reading this thread. I agree, the "temple of God" issue is irrelevant to what you guys are discussing. Somewhat of a distracting argument. Is he suggesting God loves jewels on angels that he created but not on humans that he created? And why he makes that argument is confusing, because he doesn't believe the jewels ol' Lucy had were even legitimate (he hasn't quite said God looked at them as sin though).

Further, the "temple of God' analogy is used by Paul to talk about sexual uncleanness, not fashion.

More eraser theology I see. Did the apostle's Paul & Peter instruct the NT church, "not with gold jewelry, pearls, or costly apparel," or did I quote that from a pentecostal handbook???? The temple is exceedingly relevant unbeknownst to you.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Rev 21:2-3

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
KJV


The city is adorned as bride. "tabernacle of God is with men"




Rev 21:18-22

18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper : and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.

19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper ; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;

20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.

21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it
KJV


One decked out tabernacle/temple.

Yes, in heaven...we're not in heaven, we're on earth! You need to explain why NONE of the dwelling places of God on Earth had, nor have, the gold, silver, brass on the outside [minus your eraser theology], but ALWAYS on the inside. "Whatsoever things were written before hand were written for OUR admonition....".

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I think sometimes we are slow to recognize a point that goes against something we believe so strongly.

Yes, such as "not with gold jewelry, pearls, or costly apparel." How much plainer could he have been? How else could he have stated it, to where you would believe it????? I mean, what does it take before you obey the Bible???

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sam

Isn't a necktie considered to be a cloth necklace?
Wouldn't a decorative scarf around a woman's neck be the same thing?

No Scripture against these articles, though I certainly do believe that folks can get carried away w/ it...as I stated throughout this thread.

Sorry fella's, busy today..check back later.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by rdp

Difference: The Bible does not say "not with clothes" [which is silly anyway...spare me I Ptr. 3]. But it does explicitly state: "Not with gold jewelry, pearls, or costly apparel." Do you believe those words addressed to the NT church:__________? Y, or N?

Adorn not with includes apparel.

1 Peter 3:3

3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold , or of putting on of apparel;
KJV


Now what's the whole purpose of ties,. colored shirts, fancy dresses etc....Adornment!

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by rdp

Yes, in heaven...we're not in heaven, we're on earth! You need to explain why NONE of the dwelling places of God on Earth had, nor have, the gold, silver, brass on the outside [minus your eraser theology], but ALWAYS on the inside. "Whatsoever things were written before hand were written for OUR admonition....".

Did you read what was posted. Bible states the city is the tabenacle among men. The new jerusalem city is not in heaven but is the church now in the world.

The bible describe the city as bride adorned for her husband. doubt that was inner adornment.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Adorn not with includes apparel.

1 Peter 3:3

3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold , or of putting on of apparel;
KJV

At this point, pls. tell me your kidding...right? How many times have I demostrated the Greek regarding this verse, not to mention the NIV, NLT, NKJV, HCSB, etc.....you CAN'T be serious?


Now what's the whole purpose of ties,. colored shirts, fancy dresses etc....Adornment!

I don't wear colored shirts to church, elaborate ties, or fancy dresses either! BTW, where does the Bible forbid these articles as it does jewelry:________? Spare me your theology, I want textual evidence. Now what? Back to the text...."not with braided hair, gold jewelry, pearls, or costly apparel." I'll try to ask again, since you must've overlooked my previous question: Do you believe these NT instructions to the church, or not:__________?

C'mon, can't you guys fill in at least O-N-E blank?????????????

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Did you read what was posted. Bible states the city is the tabenacle among men. The new jerusalem city is not in heaven but is the church now in the world.

Obviously YOU'RE the one not reading what's written! Your verse is from the end of Rev., at the end of the eschaton....not the NT church age! So, your hermeneutical methodology is to pit Scripture against other Scriptures which you have no explanation for [e.g., I Tim. 2:9, I Ptr. 3:3].

It's called the Fallacy of Neglected Aspect in logic [save it Jeffrey!].You present a one-sided argument [Rev.] in favor to the perilous neglect of another side of the coin [I Tim. 2]. By the way, while your quoting from Rev., how about quoting the Bride who was clothed in pure white raiment in contrast w/ the whore of Babylon decked out in jewels! Hmmm, places your position in unfavourable fellowship to say the least! You guys just refuse to get it.......

The bible describe the city as bride adorned for her husband. doubt that was inner adornment.

Let me help you out here [probably to no avail]: The OT Tabernacle, Solomons Temple, the 2nd temple, the Man, Christ Jesus...were all the dwelling places of God ON EARTH [seize on that]....& yet N-O-N-E of them had the jewels/metals on the OUTSIDE, but always & ever on the INSIDE. This is the typological reason why Moses had Israel put the gold on the INSIDE, instead of the OUTSIDE [where they previously had it...hint, hint]. Yet, you fella's would have us believe that every dwelling place of God on Earth possessed the gold/silver/brass internally....except the NT church??????? Even though He inspired the 2 foremost apostles to instruc the church, "NOT with...GOLD JEWELRY, PEARLS...."?

Then you guys want to correct M-Y theology on the matter!?!?!? Seriously, you need to study a little more & pray w/ an honest heart to God about this matter...remember He won't lead you contrary to His written Word.

Out of pocket 2mmorrow...check back Thurs., if I can. Blessings anyway...rdp.

[Truthseeker]

3Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes NIV


Do not let your adornment be merely outward—arranging the hair, wearing gold, or putting on fine apparel NKJV



3Let not yours be the [merely] external adorning with [elaborate] [b] interweaving and knotting of the hair, the wearing of jewelry, or changes of clothes; AMP







What is finre clothes?? Suits/ ties/fancy dresses??? If it doesn't mean to not adorn with clothes, then waht does it mean?





BTW NJ city is indeed the church.


Rev 21:9-10

9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife .

10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
KJV


Notice he tell John he's gonna show him the bride, the lanbs wife then take him to a mountain showing him the city, new jerusalem.

Will their be sinners on the earth when the NJ city comes down??