What's with all the new Bible versions?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

It was only about a video. I only BELIEVE I have an infallible KJV Bible. This(believe) idea makes folks rabid.

They want their Bibles to be wrong.(so they can use whatever version they so desire, trusting all modern translators)

No, Sean, the only thing rabid in this thread was you lying your tail end off to win an argument. Sorry Charlie, you lost this discussion long ago.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

If you come around los Angeles California I would be happy to unload a few bibles on you, of course I am keeping some of the special ones, those are hard to find.

Hmmm, road trip?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by randyabrown

This is what I think about translations and you ignored it.

Show me in Scripture where we have to use only one translation. If you cannot, then you are adding to God's Word.

Yet another WINNER!!!!!

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Esaias

If the Word of God is inerrant, that means "free from error". But if two translations differ (as AK on the other thread showed in regard to fasting and prayer in Matthew), then one of them must be in error.

not necessarily so, they might differ without being in error.
let us simply compare the gospel of Mark with the gospel of Matthew.

the gospel of Matthew begins with the genealogy of Jesus, while Mark simply ignores it totally. does the fact that one skips the genealogy makes that a gospel in error? I do not think so. skipping a detail or two does not make a bible to be in error

Also, if the Word of God is inerrant, then either it is possible to have an inerrant copy of God's Word... or it is impossible to have an inerrant copy of the Word. The repercussions of the latter are quite staggering, if you think about it.

The word of God is inerrant, that is what counts, that a copy has a mistake it is irrelevant, it is a copy.
the Mona Lisa is copied hundredths of times every year by art students, yet there is only one original Mona Lisa.
if a copy of the Mona Lisa has mistakes do we then castigate the original Mona Lisa?

I know that there are thousands of copying mistakes in the almost 6,000 Greek manuscripts, does it bother me or do I get paranoid? not in the least.

The solution is very simply the mistakes get sorted out when doing the comparisons. if one MSS has a mistake in a certain place, no problem there are over a thousand other MSS which do not have that mistake, there problem solved.

I study different versions in English and Spanish, does it bother me when a one of those translations has an obvious mistake? not at all, that is why I use all the other versions to see that it was a mistake.

There is safety in a multitude of counselors.
There is safety in a multitude of Bible versions.

[Evang.Benincasa]

If the 17th Century translation of the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek is the ONE and only Bible on the planet? Where then was this spoken of in the scripture? Where did Jesus, the Apostle Paul, the 12 apostles, Moses, or any of the prophets speak of a language which was yet unknown during their time, which wouldn't appear until late 15th century A.D. which every nation would need, to have GOD'S TRUE INERRANT WORD? Where are the KJV's translators spoken of in the Bible? Brother Brown brings up an important point, anyone care to answer it with an answer and not a question that will go on for fifty more pages in this thread?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

The word of God is inerrant, that is what counts, that a copy has a mistake it is irrelevant, it is a copy.
the Mona Lisa is copied hundredths of times every year by art students, yet there is only one original Mona Lisa.
if a copy of the Mona Lisa has mistakes do we then castigate the original Mona Lisa?

I know that there are thousands of copying mistakes in the almost 6,000 Greek manuscripts, does it bother me or do I get paranoid? not in the least.

The solution is very simply the mistakes get sorted out when doing the comparisons. if one MSS has a mistake in a certain place, no problem there are over a thousand other MSS which do not have that mistake, there problem solved.

I study different versions in English and Spanish, does it bother me when a one of those translations has an obvious mistake? not at all, that is why I use all the other versions to see that it was a mistake.

There is safety in a multitude of counselors.
There is safety in a multitude of Bible versions.

That sounds nice but practically it leads to a lot of problems.

The differences between Matthew and Mark is not the issue. If there are ten different versions of Mark, which one is correct? Mark didn't write ten different versions of his gospel...

Honestly, it sounds like you are saying there is NO "inerrant scripture available in one binding." Is that what you are saying? That no matter which Bible I buy, or download, it WILL have one or more errors in it?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

The word of God is inerrant, that is what counts, that a copy has a mistake it is irrelevant, it is a copy.
the Mona Lisa is copied hundredths of times every year by art students, yet there is only one original Mona Lisa.
if a copy of the Mona Lisa has mistakes do we then castigate the original Mona Lisa?

I know that there are thousands of copying mistakes in the almost 6,000 Greek manuscripts, does it bother me or do I get paranoid? not in the least.

The solution is very simply the mistakes get sorted out when doing the comparisons. if one MSS has a mistake in a certain place, no problem there are over a thousand other MSS which do not have that mistake, there problem solved.

I study different versions in English and Spanish, does it bother me when a one of those translations has an obvious mistake? not at all, that is why I use all the other versions to see that it was a mistake.

There is safety in a multitude of counselors.
There is safety in a multitude of Bible versions.

Good answer.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

That sounds nice but practically it leads to a lot of problems.

The differences between Matthew and Mark is not the issue. If there are ten different versions of Mark, which one is correct? Mark didn't write ten different versions of his gospel...

Honestly, it sounds like you are saying there is NO "inerrant scripture available in one binding." Is that what you are saying? That no matter which Bible I buy, or download, it WILL have one or more errors in it?

No, that's not what I got from what he was saying, but it is that through all the collections of manuscripts and parchments we have many which agree with each other, more than those which disagree with each other. KJV is a fine translation, but so is NKJV, KJV 2000, ESV, but even while we read them we have the Greek manuscripts with Hebrew, with the LXX to be able to go back to and check. In KJV 1 Corinthians 11:15 the word κομάω means to allow hair to grow, in Spanish the verse doesn't use largo the verse uses crecer which means the same as κομάω to grow. Like a child grows up. Yet, in most if not all English translations just use the word long which is not what is being said in Greek. Yet, back in the 17th century the word long in the verse denoted tresses of long flowing hair, and therefore men had almost bowl cut hair to stay away from "long" hair.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Esaias

That sounds nice but practically it leads to a lot of problems.

The differences between Matthew and Mark is not the issue. If there are ten different versions of Mark, which one is correct? Mark didn't write ten different versions of his gospel...

Honestly, it sounds like you are saying there is NO "inerrant scripture available in one binding." Is that what you are saying? That no matter which Bible I buy, or download, it WILL have one or more errors in it?

Dear Esaias

You are right, Mark did not write ten different versions of his gospel, but it was copied by hundredths of mistaken prone humans. sometimes it was copied in the bad lighting of a candle, at other times it was copied in a hurry by someone fleeing persecution, at other times it was copied in a dungy prison, and many other different conditions.

apparently the early Christians did not have copy machines. We actually have in hand over 5,800 Greek Manuscripts, yet no two of them are identical, every single one of them has differences with another.

so which one of those 5,800 manuscripts would you consider the only correct one?

The usual way that scholars have resolved this problem is by quantity of the same text. which simply means that they select the text that is most prevalent among all those Manuscripts.

If one manuscript spells a name in a different way from how a thousand manuscripts spell it, which one do you think the scholars will choose as the correct spelling?

[Esaias]

I am not talking about spellings, nor translations.

If every manuscript differs in its WORDS, and often in their meanings, then which is the INSPIRED text?

If the Word of God is inerrant, but every copy in existence has errors, then...???