Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine - Page 77

Monterrey · #**761** 11-08-2015, 08:51 AM

Is every physical family in the earth going to have to go physically to Jerusalem, live a visit to Mecca, once a year?

So you believe this is literal and physical?

Sean · #**762** 11-08-2015, 08:52 AM

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so is jesus going to physically stand on the mount of olives, which by the way has ceased to exist in the form that it existed then, and the physical mountain is going to split in an earthquake?

Is that what you believe?

absolutely

Monterrey · #**763** 11-08-2015, 08:54 AM

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Hey bro., It also heals the polluted waters of the Tribulation period.

May I ask you this?

What happened to your faith in the supernatural miracles of God over the years.

Why cannot there be a supernatural river proceeding from the throne as it says?

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

First of all, you did not answer the question of literal or physical waters. Choose one or the other. A or B. L or P.

Second of all, who says my faith in the supernatural miracles has diminished?

I absolutely positively believe in the supernatural and miraculous.

But then again, I see why you ask that question. You are saying that the river coming out will be a supernatural miraculous river. Gotcha!

Sean · #**764** 11-08-2015, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Monterrey

Is every physical family in the earth going to have to go physically to Jerusalem, live a visit to Mecca, once a year?

So you believe this is literal and physical?

Here I go again, answering endless questions....

Yes I do!(maybe an ambassage is implied though, not sure)

Now, it could be yearly, or a one time thing for non-locals ...not sure here...

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.(the locals?)

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.(year to year for far away nations?)

Interesting thought indeed.

Sean · #**765** 11-08-2015, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Monterrey

First of all, you did not answer the question of literal or physical waters. Choose one or the other. A or B. L or P.

Second of all, who says my faith in the supernatural miracles has diminished?

I absolutely positively believe in the supernatural and miraculous.

But then again, I see why you ask that question. You are saying that the river coming out will be a supernatural miraculous river. Gotcha!

It is like the water from the rock in the wilderness.

It was real, and it sustained life, but it was also supernatural in its' nature.

shazeep · #**766** 11-08-2015, 09:10 AM

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Please elaborate....

Micah 4King James Version (KJV)

4 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the Lord of hosts hath spoken it.

5 For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the Lord our God for ever and ever.

???

Shazeep, are you somehow thinking that sin or false concepts of God will not be accessible during the Millennium?

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Shazeep, this is why the Lord Jesus will need to rule sinners with a rod of iron.

i would say that this actually further verifies that this was fulfilled in the dispensation of Law, as penalties are being given for breaking the Law. Now, i honestly doubt any of us have truly caught up to Grace yet, but what you are suggesting is a return to Law. Do you keep the Feast of Tabernacles? Do you realize the implications? Are you going to make animal sacrifices?

Because you are not alone in this belief--there are people who believe exactly what you are espousing; they are Zionists. "Jews look for miracles." I note that earlier you denied being a Zionist, but then immediately returned to forwarding that pov.

Evang.Benincasa · #**767** 11-08-2015, 09:42 AM

Sean, when Jesus said out of your belly shall flow RIVERS of living waters. Did Jesus mean literal rivers would gush out of your stomach?

Sean · #**768** 11-08-2015, 10:00 AM

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i would say that this actually further verifies that this was fulfilled in the dispensation of Law, as penalties are being given for breaking the Law. Now, i honestly doubt any of us have truly caught up to Grace yet, but what you are suggesting is a return to Law. Do you keep the Feast of Tabernacles? Do you realize the implications? Are you going to make animal sacrifices?

Because you are not alone in this belief--there are people who believe exactly what you are espousing; they are Zionists. "Jews look for miracles." I note that earlier you denied being a Zionist, but then immediately returned to forwarding that pov.

The dispensation of Law did not end for all mankind.

It only ended for born again saints.

Sean · #**769** 11-08-2015, 10:06 AM

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Sean, when Jesus said out of your belly shall flow RIVERS of living waters. Did Jesus mean literal rivers would gush out of your stomach?

Yes. To God, this is what He sees, when you speak in tongues.

God sees the invisible things that we cannot.....

11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

If you are deeply involved in tongues, have you noticed you can even feel it(the Holy Ghost) coming from the stomach/diaphragm area?

mfblume · #**770** 11-08-2015, 12:25 PM

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What is the feast of tabernacles?

Do you believe that to be observed physically also?

The other two feasts both had spiritual fulfillment.

Passover in Jesus' death and Pentecost in Acts 2:38.

How is the feast of tabernacles going to be fulfilled in your eyes?

You're talking to a guy that thinks people would get sick and die in heaven if it wasn't for leaves on the tree of life, for gooodness' sake.