Are Apostolics Wise?

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by John Atkinson

I don't consider myself to be all that wise. I do consider Sis Falla to be very much so.

I feel the same way about myself and our dear elder sister.

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by philjones

What part don't you agree with? You are still Apostolic aren't you? Perhaps you are more of universalist and believe doctrine does not matter?

I know I know... Pharisaical Self Righteous judges who don't believe that everyone who utters the name of Jesus are saved. Just overlook us in our ignorance oh wise one.

Surely, as a man who has the audacity to start a thread of this nature, you must be submitted to the Holy Ghost and ALL KNOWING and ALL WISE!

Please continue with your propositions and continue to wow us with the breadth and depth of your astounding wisdom!

I bow before you!

Again, you need to get your UCdar fixed. You are picking up all kinds of false signals with that faulty device you are using called by some a brain!

I have already stated I need more wisdom. I am not all wise. As a matter of fact, I was simply looking for a reasonable explanation as to why wisdom is not supernatural among us.

We seek for healing, we seek for prophecy, we seek for miracles, why don't we seek for wisdom?

Honestly, Dr. Phil, you've been to hell and back as we all have, give me an honest answer. Why don't we seek for wisdom from above as a sign of God's approval?

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

How is pointing out that God ordained local churches and not organization institutions of education shifting the blame?

If men aren't being developed properly, the blame is on the ministry, specifically pastors, of which I am one. Bible schools are in my opinion a stopgap measure that is regrettably filling a need because pastors aren't mentoring as they should. They are a bandaid but not the ideal solution.

You can have ten thousand instructors, but the real need is fathers.



You keep failing to acknowledge the dichotomy between the gift of the word of wisdom, and the wisdom from above that James talks about.

Every believer should have wisdom--from God, His Word, and His imparted nature, and from experience.

This is not the same thing as the supernatral gift Paul references in I Corinthians 12.

And again, your judgment that anyone who is against tv ministry is dumb and ignorant is incredibly arrogant and simplistic. That in itself is no litmus test.

There are men with a lot of wisdom, good minds and good hearts on both sides of that issue.

Now, CS, you know you cannot say that or you are being deceptive... after all you are an UCon and cannot believe such silliness!

Sorry I missed your call... would have loved to visit!

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by staysharp

I can't believe I just read this.

Sharpy, the belief that one must obey Acts 2:38 to enter the Kingdom is not a weird, fringe doctrine held by only a few rabid cons; that is mainstream Apostolic doctrine and this is an Apostolic forum. There are some PCI types that have a slightly different view, but you have no reason to act surprised on this forum that someone would not consider Southern Baptists to be saved and in the Kingdom.

Originally Posted by staysharp

I have already stated I need more wisdom. I am not all wise. As a matter of fact, I was simply looking for a reasonable explanation as to why wisdom is not supernatural among us.

We seek for healing, we seek for prophecy, we seek for miracles, why don't we seek for wisdom?

Honestly, Dr. Phil, you've been to hell and back as we all have, give me an honest answer. Why don't we seek for wisdom from above as a sign of God's approval?

Staysharp,

I guess I find the question to be difficult to zero in on because that is a daily prayer that I pray and a daily prayer most men I know pray. Certainly we are daily facing a changing world and persistent yet morphing attacks from the deceiver so Godly Wisdom is essential. I cannot imagine there are any true men of God who do not seek to be empowered through the leading and guiding of the Holy Ghost in every deed, decision and doctrine that they pursue.

Is your experience contrary to mine?

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by staysharp

I have already stated I need more wisdom. I am not all wise. As a matter of fact, I was simply looking for a reasonable explanation as to why wisdom is not supernatural among us.

We seek for healing, we seek for prophecy, we seek for miracles, why don't we seek for wisdom?

Honestly, Dr. Phil, you've been to hell and back as we all have, give me an honest answer. Why don't we seek for wisdom from above as a sign of God's approval?

Speak for yourself.

I do, have for years, and know many men who do also.

Maybe you need to get away from some of your current unwise fellowship and let me hook you up with some good men who can help you in the wisdom department.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by philjones

Staysharp,

I guess I find the question to be difficult to zero in on because that is a daily prayer that I pray and a daily prayer most men I know pray. Certainly we are daily facing a changing world and persistent yet morphing attacks from the deceiver so Godly Wisdom is essential. I cannot imagine there are any true men of God who do not seek to be empowered through the leading and guiding of the Holy Ghost in every deed, decision and doctrine that they pursue.

Is your experience contrary to mine?

Brother, I think some men look through their own keyhole, and get the idea that they are viewing a panaramic vista of the Kingdom.

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Brother, I think some men look through their own keyhole, and get the idea that they are viewing a panaramic vista of the Kingdom.

You may be on to something!

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by philjones

Staysharp,

I guess I find the question to be difficult to zero in on because that is a daily prayer that I pray and a daily prayer most men I know pray. Certainly we are daily facing a changing world and persistent yet morphing attacks from the deceiver so Godly Wisdom is essential. I cannot imagine there are any true men of God who do not seek to be empowered through the leading and guiding of the Holy Ghost in every deed, decision and doctrine that they pursue.

Is your experience contrary to mine?

Think you nailed it there Br Phil
37 years that I have been in christ my prayer has been for God's word to be revealed to me.

Prayer for wisdom, study for wisdom has been a daily pursuit.

Stay Sharp's question is faulty. Can not be answered.

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Sharpy, the belief that one must obey Acts 2:38 to enter the Kingdom is not a weird, fringe doctrine held by only a few rabid cons; that is mainstream Apostolic doctrine and this is an Apostolic forum. There are some PCI types that have a slightly different view, but you have no reason to act surprised on this forum that someone would not consider Southern Baptists to be saved and in the Kingdom.

Coon, your post was filled with elitism. This is the problem. You guys don't even realize it. Why couldn't you say...yes, we have a lot to learn from the baptists. They have accomplished great things. Orphanages, schools, missionaries, doctors, etc.

Why attack them as not being in the kingdom? There is nothing wrong with being a professional pastor. It simply states you have taken your calling and profession seriously.

Again, skirt the issue, deny anybody else could be right.

Oh well, I guess I got my answer. We have no wisdom from above, because we do not seek it. It's just that simple.