Five fold ministry???? Who are they at your Church?

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by keith4him

The ranking within the church body if there is one is found in I Cor 12:28

Before we talk about the expression of the 5 fold ministry today, we should at least ponder the church in the 1st century.

It was primarily a citywide church, met in homes, led by appointed elders, who were appointed by Apostles, who were visited by prophets (Acts 11:27) and interent teachers.

This pattern more or less happened wherever the Gospel spread. Also prophets released Apostles into their ministry (Acts 13:1-2)

The giftings of the 5-Fold ministry then worked either locally within those groups of house churches that are identified by Cities, or they worked trans-locally and traveled much like the Apostle Paul did visiting the different works.

Much of the epistles were written trying to combat and qualify what these some of the false visiting ministers would teach in these meetings. Corinth, Galatia, Thessalonica each had this happen.

This was the norm.

Now in the present day, we are removed from some of that structure (sadly in my opinion), some visiting Evangelists might qualify as to be prophets but are afraid or don't realize their calling, visit the churches today along with a myrad # of teachers and exhorters.

Now for Apostles they tend to be more or less what missionaries are today, but not all missionary are Apostles and not all Apostles are missionaries.

They seem to have regional or larger vision that a local city, and lead and appoint elders and leaders in that region.

It would be great to see this realized and all these ministries function together in healthy way before Jesus comes again.

Thank you, interesting post.

[Malvaro]

Originally Posted by COOPER

It was said over a UPC puplit that if anyone that is an Apostle has seen Jesus in person.

Did Paul see Jesus? (don't remember that being so) and he was called an Apostle in the scriptures....

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by Malvaro

Did Paul see Jesus? (don't remember that being so) and he was called an Apostle in the scriptures....

Um....on the road to Damascus.....duh

1 Cor 15

6After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by COOPER

Is the duty of an Apostle missionary????

Like a church starter and ground breaker?

Yes

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Joelel

Yes

Then I'm Apostle.

Apostle Pastor Poster

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Malvaro

Did Paul see Jesus? (don't remember that being so) and he was called an Apostle in the scriptures....

Of course he didn't, he was smote with BLINDNESS!!!



God smacked him blind with a fish.......later scales fell from eyes!!!!!

Thank you

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by COOPER

Five fold ministry???? Who are they at your Church?

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Where is the Rank and Order of the Five Fold Ministers????

Why are the Pastors recieving tithe and not the others????

Why is not this office shared as a whole????

A true Apostle can fill all the five fold ministries.Many who say they are Apostles are not though and still start church assemblies.The apostles are suppose to start the assemblies and then appoint Elders and keep head athority over the assemblies.The signs of and apostle are working of miracles.The church don't operate the way it is suppose to.The people are not suppose to vote pastors in and out who they want.Then their are those who hold one or two offices.Like a Bishop must be able to teach.He is a Bishop and teacher.

[Esther]

A friend of mine shared a conversation he had with the Lord about this subject not to terribly long ago.

He asked the Lord if the five fold ministry had an order to the importance of the ministries.

He said the yes, they were listed in order in scripture.

That would make the Apostle the highest office, and probably less hold that office. The Prophet would follow and there are more of them that Apostles, etc.

That would make the teachers the least of all but no less needed.

The one in the middle is the Pastor, and seems to be more of them than any. Although, I personally believe there are pastors holding more than one office.

Example: I believe T.W. Barnes was a Prophet as well as a Pastor and Teacher.

I believe James Kilgore is an Apostle, and Pastor, Teacher. He has started many churches out of his assembly.

I also personally believe the higher the office the more time in prayer and the Word is required. Again, that is just my opinion.

[Malvaro]

Originally Posted by Michlow

Um....on the road to Damascus.....duh

1 Cor 15

6After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.

ummmmm.... Paul saw a great light (which as Coop said, blinded him).... he definately "heard" God but I think Coop was referring to folks who actually saw God in a "fleshly form".... while He walked the earth....

Coop, correct me if that wasn't what you were trying to say....

I seem to recall having heard/read this concept/definition before somewhere.... not in my home church, but elsewhere though....

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Malvaro

ummmmm.... Paul saw a great light (which as Coop said, blinded him).... he definately "heard" God but I think Coop was referring to folks who actually saw God in a "fleshly form".... while He walked the earth....

Coop, correct me if that wasn't what you were trying to say....

I seem to recall having heard/read this concept/definition before somewhere.... not in my home church, but elsewhere though....

Yes I did say that, it was once said by a preacher at my old church.