Vince Larson Apology - Blessing & Cursing

[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by revrandy

I want to be like our Dad who waits everyday just hoping to see his son come around the corner simply because one day I was that kid who decided to come home...

I understand and can appreciate this view. You don't want people to make the same mistakes you made. But there is also a smugness to many of your recent posts that implies some sort of exclusivity on the truth. It's great that you have returned to the fold, and have vowed to not repeat your mistakes. And I certainly think it is good to believe that you have the big picture in mind - and that your revelation is the "whole" truth.

But not every question or alternative opinion is a step toward the slippery slope. Not everyone's path is the same. And the comment about "waiting at the gate" is just a bit presumptuous and condescending in my view. When you have finishing seeking truth because you're so sure you have it all figured out, I think that's dangerous.

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Originally, yes.

But he invited idols into his life.

Maybe God is calling us back to pure doctrine, and others are confusing that calling with something new.

Truth is, over the years, we bring idols into the church without even realizing it. Maybe God is calling some folks away from the influence of families who have created, and yet cling to, an image of God that is faulty?

This reminds of a Bible study my pastor recently did, the title was something along the lines of "Only the sacred is sacred". The scripture reference was

Num 21:8-9

8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.

9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
KJV

2 Kings 18:1-4
18:1 Now it came to pass in the third year of Hoshea son of Elah king of Israel, that Hezekiah the son of Ahaz king of Judah began to reign.

2 Twenty and five years old was he when he began to reign; and he reigned twenty and nine years in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Abi, the daughter of Zachariah.

3 And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that David his father did.

4 He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.
KJV


The thought was that our methods (ie, the brazen serpent was used by God for a season of time, but then became an object of worship itself, outside of the will of God,) will change with the times to whatever is the most affective in reaching the lost, but the message (truth) will never change.

I think there is a fine line in the process, and that change simply for the sake of change is not wise, but there are a lot of young men stuck in the middle, not quite sure of how to accomplish needed change, and some making mistakes in the process. Mistakes aren't fatal, but finding the wisdom to correct when you are navigating that course is crucial.

And as in every situation, until you have had to deal with the exact variables that any given person has to deal with, passing judgment on how he or she handles it is not wise.

Just my thoughts, and this was not directed at anyone in particular, just Bro. Anglins excellent post prompted these thoughts.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by dizzyde

This reminds of a Bible study my pastor recently did, the title was something along the lines of "Only the sacred is sacred". The scripture reference was

Num 21:8-9

8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.

9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
KJV

2 Kings 18:1-4
18:1 Now it came to pass in the third year of Hoshea son of Elah king of Israel, that Hezekiah the son of Ahaz king of Judah began to reign.

2 Twenty and five years old was he when he began to reign; and he reigned twenty and nine years in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Abi, the daughter of Zachariah.

3 And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that David his father did.

4 He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.
KJV


The thought was that our methods (ie, the brazen serpent was used by God for a season of time, but then became an object of worship itself, outside of the will of God,) will change with the times to whatever is the most affective in reaching the lost, but the message (truth) will never change.

I think there is a fine line in the process, and that change simply for the sake of change is not wise, but there are a lot of young men stuck in the middle, not quite sure of how to accomplish needed change, and some making mistakes in the process. Mistakes aren't fatal, but finding the wisdom to correct when you are navigating that course is crucial.

And as in every situation, until you have had to deal with the exact variables that any given person has to deal with, passing judgment on how he or she handles it is not wise.

Just my thoughts, and this was not directed at anyone in particular, just Bro. Anglins excellent post prompted these thoughts.

This doesn't sound like a post written by a person called "dizzy"!!!

Good insights!

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

This doesn't sound like a post written by a person called "dizzy"!!!

Good insights!

Oh, I let my brain out to play every once in while! Not often though, people wouldn't know what to do with me...

[All4one]

Originally Posted by dizzyde

This reminds of a Bible study my pastor recently did, the title was something along the lines of "Only the sacred is sacred". The scripture reference was

Num 21:8-9

8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.

9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
KJV

2 Kings 18:1-4
18:1 Now it came to pass in the third year of Hoshea son of Elah king of Israel, that Hezekiah the son of Ahaz king of Judah began to reign.

2 Twenty and five years old was he when he began to reign; and he reigned twenty and nine years in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Abi, the daughter of Zachariah.

3 And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that David his father did.

4 He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.
KJV


The thought was that our methods (ie, the brazen serpent was used by God for a season of time, but then became an object of worship itself, outside of the will of God,) will change with the times to whatever is the most affective in reaching the lost, but the message (truth) will never change.

I think there is a fine line in the process, and that change simply for the sake of change is not wise, but there are a lot of young men stuck in the middle, not quite sure of how to accomplish needed change, and some making mistakes in the process. Mistakes aren't fatal, but finding the wisdom to correct when you are navigating that course is crucial.

And as in every situation, until you have had to deal with the exact variables that any given person has to deal with, passing judgment on how he or she handles it is not wise.

Just my thoughts, and this was not directed at anyone in particular, just Bro. Anglins excellent post prompted these thoughts.

Very good post! I think a lot of people are afraid to come right out and say that as Moses followed God and left his fathers Idols behind perhaps Vince's father has allowed some Idols to stay (for whatever reason) and Vince ,of couse, loves his parents but is hungry to follow hard after God and not be content with the status quo.

[TRFrance]

Maybe somebody can help me with this.
There's something about this apology that's unclear to me.

Is he apologizing for what he did? (Particularly in regards to the "cursing" post)

Or is he simply apologizing for any pain, embarrassment, etc, it may have caused?

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by All4one

Very good post! I think a lot of people are afraid to come right out and say that as Moses followed God and left his fathers Idols behind perhaps Vince's father has allowed some Idols to stay (for whatever reason) and Vince ,of couse, loves his parents but is hungry to follow hard after God and not be content with the status quo.

Just for the record, I meant and said nothing of the kind about the family in question. My post was a general reflection on the entire subject of change and tradition. Just want to make that PERFECTLY clear.

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Maybe somebody can help me with this.
There's something about this apology that's unclear to me.

Is he apologizing for what he did? (Particularly in regards to the "cursing" post)

Or is he simply apologizing for any pain, embarrassment, etc, it may have caused?

Yes! Actually I think that there 'cursing' post isn't nearly as volatile as the magic hair post. In his case he's become a lightning rod for a much bigger issue. He is cursed with pedigree and this makes him a spokesman and a target.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Yes! Actually I think that there 'cursing' post isn't nearly as volatile as the magic hair post. In his case he's become a lightning rod for a much bigger issue. He is cursed with pedigree and this makes him a spokesman and a target.

RD, was that an attempt to address the question I was asking? (I'm not sure if it was...)

Or was that just a separate thought you were expressing?

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

RD, was that an attempt to address the question I was asking? (I'm not sure if it was...)

Or was that just a separate thought you were expressing?

Kind of both.......but in reality it's damage control.