Loren Yadon's: Tragedies of War????

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Theophil

This is over the line and uncalled for. I am surprised at you Dan. Please apologize, by pm to the injured party.

Being called a heretic and backslider all in a week from a brother in the Lord, what next?

Thank you for the call to reconciliation. After all, that's what Christ came to do.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Theophil

This is over the line and uncalled for. I am surprised at you Dan. Please apologize, by pm to the injured party.

No one called her a backslider but rather if you read context of our tiff ... Theo .. .that's what most of the very men who disfellowshipped LY would consider Mizpeh ... knowing she does not "practice" holiness standards ...

They would consider her an backslidden Apostolic sympathizer.

I will say that she has now overstepped her bounds accusing that I am demonically oppressed as now 2 of her posts assert.

What Mizpeh has done is cloud a discussion ... making herself a victim because someone thinks her view is heretical ...

Simply put she thinks Trinitarianism is heretical ... false doctrine ... yet, would probably never go as far as saying so ...

She believes one step doctrine is heretical ... or false teaching ... but she would probably not use the term ... because it's a bogeyman in her mind.

But that's what heretical means ... false doctrine ...

She equates heretical doctrine ... with ... gasp ... being a heretic ...

but has no problems turning around ... and leveling insults ... and villifying a brother in Christ with the aspersion of a "wolf in sheep's clothing" and categorically seeking to justify using Scripture to label me as demonically oppressed and influenced. ....

This continues to be false witness sugar coated in "spirituality" and of course said in all "humility".

It is the irony of the irony she seeks to "expose".

I await her public apology.

[BuckeyeBukaroo]

Originally Posted by SDG

No one called her a backslider but rather if you read context of our tiff ... Theo .. .that's what most of the very men who disfellowshipped LY would consider Mizpeh ... knowing she does not "practice" holiness standards ...

They would consider her an backslidden Apostolic sympathizer.

I will say that she has now overstepped her bounds accusing that I am demonically oppressed as now 2 of her posts assert.

What Mizpeh has done is cloud a discussion ... making herself a victim because someone thinks her view is heretical ...

Simply put she thinks Trinitarianism is heretical ... false doctrine ... yet, would probably never go as far as saying so ...

She believes one step doctrine is heretical ... or false teaching ... but she would probably not use the term ... because it's a bogeyman in her mind.

But that's what heretical means ... false doctrine ...

She equates heretical doctrine ... with ... gasp ... being a heretic ...

but has no problems turning around ... and leveling insults ... and villifying a brother in Christ with the aspersion of a "wolf in sheep's clothing" and categorically seeking to justify using Scripture to label me as demonically oppressed and influenced. ....

This continues to be false witness sugar coated in "spirituality" and of course said in all "humility".

It is the irony of the irony she seeks to "expose".

I await her public apology.

Did she ever apologize?
Where is she today?
Where are you today?
Where am I today?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

The thing is is that Dan calls threestepper's heretics. He has taken on the mantle of those who are divisive amongst the threestepper crowd and now uses it to support the onestepper doctrine in the same divisive manner.

It's really sad we couldn't stay in the same fellowship (UPC) and fellowship the difference because the end result is the same.

I understand that sentiment... but I definitely don't believe that the end result is necessarily the same.

In many [or most?] 1-stepper Pentecostal churches (whether Oneness or Trinitarian), the Holy Ghost baptism is not emphasized or preached with a sense of urgency. In such places, where the Holy Ghost baptism is often taught as being just an added "second blessing", people will often sit in those churches for years and not seek the Holy Ghost because they've been told they're "okay" simply because they "accepted Jesus". (I've known several such people personally, including one man who told me he didnt care about seeking the Holy Ghost infilling because... in his words: "I dont want spiritual gifts". )

An example that's been discussed on this forum before is the Assemblies of God denomination, whose own statistics showed that only about 25% of their "converts" had gotten water baptized and 20% had received the Holy Ghost baptism. (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...07&postcount=7)
That's the kind of thing that can and does happen in environments where water baptism and Holy Ghost infilling are taught as things that are "good to have", but not essential to be saved.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

I understand that sentiment... but I definitely don't believe that the end result is necessarily the same.

In many [or most?] 1-stepper Pentecostal churches (whether Oneness or Trinitarian), the Holy Ghost baptism is not emphasized or preached with a sense of urgency. In such places, where the Holy Ghost baptism is often taught as being just an added "second blessing", people will often sit in those churches for years and not seek the Holy Ghost because they've been told they're "okay" simply because they "accepted Jesus". (I've known several such people personally, including one man who told me he didnt care about seeking the Holy Ghost infilling because... in his words: "I dont want spiritual gifts". )

An example that's been discussed on this forum before is the Assemblies of God denomination, whose own statistics showed that only about 25% of their "converts" had gotten water baptized and 20% had received the Holy Ghost baptism. (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...07&postcount=7)
That's the kind of thing that can and does happen in environments where water baptism and Holy Ghost infilling are taught as things that are "good to have", but not essential to be saved.

Do you think it was a mistake for the PCI and the PAJC to unite?

[Billy Boy]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Do you think it was a mistake for the PCI and the PAJC to unite?

Nope, It was a good thing- it probably would not happen today though, we have gone backwards! The more uniting the better, in my book!

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Billy Boy

Nope, It was a good thing- it probably would not happen today though, we have gone backwards! The more uniting the better, in my book!

I would love for LY to preach to our fellowship.

[MrMasterMind]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Do you think it was a mistake for the PCI and the PAJC to unite?

Absolutely, for the PCI

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

Absolutely, for the PCI

True, the PAJC didn't live up to their end of the bargain because of the Westburg faction.

Were there any PAJC men that were grieved with the outcome of the merger? Were there any PAJC men that didn't agree with the AS and not sign it?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Do you think it was a mistake for the PCI and the PAJC to unite?

I'll put it this way:

If I was a member of whatever board was voting on the decision to merge, I would have voted no.