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mfblume · #71 04-20-2010, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by deadeye

Say what you want...but this whole thread is an all out attack on Pentecostal style of worship.

I guess it makes it alright to slam someones worship as long as you preface it by saying, "I am not saying this to be antagonistic...."

what a bunch of BUUUULLLLogny that was!!!!

Unfortunately, and I can shout and do shout with the best of them, some worship is an all out attack against 1 Cor 14 teaching.

BeenThinkin · #72 04-20-2010, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Unfortunately, and I can shout and do shout with the best of them, some worship is an all out attack against 1 Cor 14 teaching.

Now you're gonna be known as mfBUUUULLLLognyblume!

You'll just have to look over us old folks! (I'm talking about me mfb!)

Been Thinkin

pelathais · #73 04-20-2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by deadeye

True dat..

I'm confused then. Is a more "staid" and less "shockamoo" approach "conservative" or "liberal?"

To the vast majority of people in Christendom, those who worship without the "shockamoo" would be considered "conservative." So, is Prax saying that this thread shows the "conservatives" to be "mean spirited?"

And why does criticism of the "shockamoo" end up being categorized as "mean spirited?"

Forcing and manipulating people to be accepting of those who swing their arms wildly and dangerously around others who are worshiping and then angrily denouncing those who don't "shockamoo" seems to be pretty mean spirited to me.

pelathais · #74 04-20-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by deadeye

Say what you want...but this whole thread is an all out attack on Pentecostal style of worship.

I guess it makes it alright to slam someones worship as long as you preface it by saying, "I am not saying this to be antagonistic...."

what a bunch of BUUUULLLLogny that was!!!!

There is an unfortunate type of "pentecostal worship" where people are manipulated and coerced into behaving in a fashion that they would not otherwise behave. I think most folks would criticize that.

"Pentecostal worship" is supposed to be about freedom and liberty (Isaiah 61:1; Luke 4:18 and 2 Corinthians 3:17). All of the "priming of the pump" stuff just inevitably leads to people participating in what is sometimes thought to be a shallow exhibition of the flesh.

Why do so many folks have their eyes tightly shut? Why the grimace and the tortured body language? Where's the freedom and joy?

*AQuietPlace* · #75 04-20-2010, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

There is an unfortunate type of "pentecostal worship" where people are manipulated and coerced into behaving in a fashion that they would not otherwise behave. I think most folks would criticize that.

"Pentecostal worship" is supposed to be about freedom and liberty (Isaiah 61:1; Luke 4:18 and 2 Corinthians 3:17). All of the "priming of the pump" stuff just inevitably leads to people participating in what is sometimes thought to be a shallow exhibition of the flesh.

Why do so many folks have their eyes tightly shut? Why the grimace and the tortured body language? Where's the freedom and joy?

I have a friend who came to God in her twenties. I always love to just watch her worship. Her face glows, and she has the biggest smile on her face. She waves her arms to the Lord, her face upturned, eyes opened... with a huge, glowing smile.

Her worship has always captured my attention, because it's so rare in our worship services. I don't know that I'd ever seen anyone with eyes open, and a big smile. Her smile and expression shouts "I love you, God!!"

And yet, she has fretted and fretted, ever since I've known her, because she can't "dance in the Spirit". She wants to, but she never feels "overpowered". So she feels that her worship is inferior to others around her.

I completely disagree.

Hoovie · #76 04-20-2010, 05:01 PM

To some degree I think focusing so much on HOW we worship is silly. I am comfortable worshipping in a litergical church or shockamoo church (as long as it's not dictated).

notofworks · #77 04-20-2010, 05:13 PM

The suggestion....no wait, it's a "demand"....in I Corinthians 14 that we do all things decently and in order should be paramount when considering what we would tolerate in a public worship service. As well, it would do us good to consider WHY that demand was given. And it is simply this....we MUST consider the impact our actions are going to have on an unbeliever. That's what it's ALL about.

I was raised in a culture that gloated when we would freak someone out. Consider the potential eternal impact of such an action!! Have we placed our own personal "spiritual" satisfaction over our mission for reaching people?? Do our chill-bumps and "shockamoo" gyrations have priority over the redemption of an eternal soul? If so, we're completely missing the point.

As far as the opening video go and the completely absurd Hagin clip, which I could not finish, I have seen MANY unbelievers or uninformed people walk into a service in which these things were going on, and head for the exits. And if it even happens ONCE, then we're OUT OF CONTROL!! It has ceased to be worship and has become personal fleshly satisfaction. There's a term I can't really use here so I won't, but the end result of this garbage is, we feel better when it's over but there's no life in it.

I wouldn't never mock or be critical of a person's praise. If I had seen any on either of those videos, I wouldn't have said anything.

RandyWayne · #78 04-20-2010, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by deadeye

Reminds me of the old gossips that figure its all right to spread stories as long as you end them by saying. "Bless their hearts..."

I just figure that finishing every sentence with "...not that there is anything wrong with that." pretty much takes care of things.

RandyWayne · #79 04-20-2010, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by deadeye

I have seen plenty that was not of God...the flesh makes its appearance at the most inopportune times...but more often than not the "blow out " services I have seen and been in were a direct result of the awesome power of God....of course the carnal has a hard time comprehending the things of the Spirit so that may explain why you don't like that type of worship.

I have to admit that I usually do not find anything wrong with hard physical worship especially when someone is doing it when they think no one is watching. When they KNOW someone is watching, it is nothing but the pharisee gloating about how much HE can worship, unlike the lowly bug next to him who is merely sitting down with his eyes closed, face in his hands, and gently sobbing. "Look at ME!" he no doubt says to himself, and if he is single then it is more like "Look at ME you fine foxy ladies!".

Elizabeth · #80 04-20-2010, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I have to admit that I usually do not find anything wrong with hard physical worship especially when someone is doing it when they think no one is watching. When they KNOW someone is watching, it is nothing but the pharisee gloating about how much HE can worship, unlike the lowly bug next to him who is merely sitting down with his eyes closed, face in his hands, and gently sobbing. "Look at ME!" he no doubt says to himself, and if he is single then it is more like "Look at ME you fine foxy ladies!".