NOW, When Is Someone Saved? - Page 8

notofworks · #71 10-24-2010, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Belief in Christ and repentance are commands as well as water baptism. Doe you consider them to be works as well?

Should I list off all the commands listed in the New Testament? Are those also associated with salvation?

notofworks · #72 10-24-2010, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh

That's not what happened to Paul or the Samaritans, or the disciples at Ephesus in the book of Acts. They were not filled with the Spirit immediately WHEN they believed. Why do you assume differently?

Ok, you're right. Uncle. Paul was confused when he wrote to the Ephesians. Silly me.

notofworks · #73 10-24-2010, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoovie

I was intentionally vague in order to get some response.

In French's book he documents the existence of nearly 30 million OPs.

The qualifying questions were "Do you baptize involking the name of Jesus?" and "Do you teach speaking in tongues is a sign of Spirit baptism?" even if the majority in the UPC are three steppers, I think they are among the few OPs that are.

Man, I think you're way off on this. Do you have examples of OP groups that believe in salvation at repentance/faith? I don't know of any.

Jermyn Davidson · #74 10-24-2010, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notofworks

Man, I think you're way off on this. Do you have examples of OP groups that believe in salvation at repentance/faith? I don't know of any.

I know of some good Chinese OP brothers that believe you have to be baptized a certain way (face down?) or your baptism is invalid.

So if your baptism is invalid, you weren't really baptized.

We all know that no one is saved unless thy're baptized the right way....

notofworks · #75 10-24-2010, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I know of some good Chinese OP brothers that believe you have to be baptized a certain way (face down?) or your baptism is invalid.

So if your baptism is invalid, you weren't really baptized.

We all know that no one is saved unless thy're baptized the right way....

Yes, of course. Jesus died the most horrific death on the cross, shed His blood for our sins, but it only works if we say juuussstt the right words at the moment of baptism.

Good grief.

notofworks · #76 10-24-2010, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cindy

Only God knows when someone is saved. NOW is not even close, nor is any other person. There are no steps, it is very simple. Why do we spend so much time arguing about what others consider saved? And lets face it, no one likes to be told they are wrong over and over. Believe what you believe, tell others about Jesus Christ, the ONLY way to salvation.

Soooooooooo, what.....we just all guess at it and hope we're right?

Jeffrey · #77 10-24-2010, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Belief in Christ and repentance are commands as well as water baptism. Doe you consider them to be works as well?

I'm familiar where this argument is going. Been on both sides of it many times

No one can confess Jesus is LORD except by the Spirit.

And furthermore, it's the only consistent way of faith throughout the entirety of scripture.

Jeffrey · #78 10-24-2010, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh

That's not what happened to Paul or the Samaritans, or the disciples at Ephesus in the book of Acts. They were not filled with the Spirit immediately WHEN they believed. Why do you assume differently?

I do assume they were too

I not only assume they were, but according to the Gospel of John and Romans 8, I know they were

Jeffrey · #79 10-24-2010, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notofworks

Man, I think you're way off on this. Do you have examples of OP groups that believe in salvation at repentance/faith? I don't know of any.

NOW, I actually think there are many OP orgs that aren't 3-steppers. They are "second blessing" promoters.

Jeffrey · #80 10-24-2010, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notofworks

Yes, of course. Jesus died the most horrific death on the cross, shed His blood for our sins, but it only works if we say juuussstt the right words at the moment of baptism.

Good grief.

Ha. "My son, SOOOOOOOO close."

Your baptism was invoked by a man with a speech impediment, and I'm not sure if you used the magic words. Oh, and your stammering lips didn't quite make it too tongues. SOOOOOOOOOO close. (In my Office Space voice: Yeeaaahhhh....)