Anyone heard of Bishop "JABO" Green?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

The old one or the old old one.

I have spent most of my life north or south of Houston so I have known of Jabo Green's church most of my life.

We lived within 20 minutes or so of the church for about 10 years but I have never attended a service there.

I detect then that you are very impressed???????????????????????

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I detect then that you are very impressed???????????????????????

The fact that I lived within 20 minutes of his church for 10 years and yet never graced the doors of the church gave you the impression that I was impressed?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

The fact that I lived within 20 minutes of his church for 10 years and yet never graced the doors of the church gave you the impression that I was impressed?

That was TIC. I did get your point.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

That was TIC. I did get your point.

Oh okay... sorry... I didn't catch that... my bad.

Have a good night Brother Epley.

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I've always have gotten a kick out of the term "full" salvation ... salvation is either full or it's not ....

Yeah, I've always thought that term as used in the Manual is confusing at best, totally unscriptural at the worst. In other words, just plain stupid.

Either way ... there's still time to convert you ... I will try while we enjoy our steaks ....

You are a very intelligent young man, I will have to be thoroughly prayed up and refreshed in my mind, depending upon the help of the Holy Ghost if I am going to go up against you on this subject.

May the anointing upon Excalibur prevail.

I've been to Houston three times since you promised the steak but each time, my time has been too limited. However, if not this week, certainly the next, I am going to enjoy it most when I see you paying the bill...including the tip.

I sure wish well-reasoned and tolerant men like you would have prevailed in 1992 .... we would have avoided what will happen in Sept ...

but that's spilled milk and the balance will come ...

Dan, as I sat in that conference room in Salt Lake City listening to the debate over the resolution, I failed to do as I was prompted to do by the Holy Ghost. I was prompted to walk up on the stage and take my beloved Pastor in my arms and beg him not to support this evil resolution. I started to go but I sat back down. I started to go again but again, I sat back down, each time thinking what a spectacle it would be at that very tense moment.

I failed. Whether or not it would have made any difference, I probably doubt it, but I cannot judge that. Nevertheless, I have regreted not being obedient, ever since.

That room was filled with a maddening swill of political intrigue. God was not pleased with it then and God is not pleased with it now. One Pastor once told me, that he could never sign that document. When I asked how it is that he is still not dropped, he answered that his wife signs it for him. I am not sure how that makes him any less of a hypocrite.

Originally Posted by Sam

From what I understand, it hinges on the term "full salvation."

PCI folks can agree with the fundamental doctrine statement if they think that "full salvation" does not occur until death or the rapture and they agree that everyone "should" get saved, get baptized in Jesus' Name, and receive the HGB as part of their Christian walk.

PAJC folks can agree with the fundamental doctrine statement if they think that no one is "really" or "fully" saved until they have completed the three-step formula.

The fundamental doctrine statement was amended in 1973 to add the words "for the remission of sins." The resolution to add the words was discussed and then proposed by S.G. Norris who was a three-stepper. It was seconded by W.W. Greer who was a one stepper. Bro. Greer stated it would be a problem only if the word "for" was specifically and officially interpreted. Bro. Greer said that he was asked by Nathaniel Urshan to second the motion because, as Urshan explained, it would almost certainly receive unanimous ratification. Bro. Greer then inquired as to whether or not he could continue to believe as he had always done and Bro. Urshan replied in the affirmative.

Yes, I am aware of those events though I was not present at the time.

What a radical difference in Bro. Urshan's attitude in '73 and '92 when, after the adoption of the AS, he from the floor of the conference asked everyone who did not believe in the three steps to turn in their credentials. I was shocked to hear him say those words.

[Thad]

I HAVE ONLY ONE QUESTION .......................................

HAS DORA POSTED ON THIS THREAD YET ???????????????:heeheehee

Originally Posted by Brett Prince

I am trying to remember details, but I am thinking that some of the details of Jabo and the details of Richard Heard are getting mixed together. You and CC1 are probably right.

I saw Richard Heard in the elevator of the Hotel after the adoption of the resolution. I asked him if the adoption of it did anything for him. I forget his exact words but he let me know that his days as a member was very much limited from then on. I could see the disgust in his face. But, look what a radical turn that he has made since then. Would it not have been better had he stayed?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Yes, I am aware of those events though I was not present at the time.

What a radical difference in Bro. Urshan's attitude in '73 and '92 when, after the adoption of the AS, he from the floor of the conference asked everyone who did not believe in the three steps to turn in their credentials. I was shocked to hear him say those words.

Did N.A. really say that ....???? Wasn't his dad a proponent of light doctrine????

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Is there such a thing as 1/2 salvation???????

No, not in the world of the three steppers.

I suppose that first you are 1/3rd saved when you repent, 2/3rd saved when you are baptized in the name of Jesus, then finally fully saved when you receive the Holy Ghost????

Naaaaah...that's not bible either is it?