Heretics and Politics by Thomas A. Fudge

[Reader]

Would it help you to discover that Fudge calls Fisher, Lewis, etc. heretics as they did differ from the established UPC beliefs? Or that he says the UPC had a right to take action?

He did contact people on both sides, including Bernard.

(to aegsm76)

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Disciple4life

Thoughts? How did you get it? I like to read! Don't judge me!!

Don Marler's book is one of the earliest critiques of the UPC that I was exposed to, it was amazing to read another perspective on many of my own concerns.

[Reader]

When men refuse to meet with those that they demonize, using the Scriptures only as the reference for what is true, those men are pushing politics instead of truth. This is what was characteristic of "experts" that in the way they went about removing the "heretics".

Are you speaking of when the board suddenly changed the location of the meeting and deliberately did not notify the minister they were investigating?

[Reader]

Don Marler's book is one of the earliest critiques of the UPC that I was exposed to, it was amazing to read another perspective on many of my own concerns.

How far back did you read it? If it was close to when it was released, do you recall what you heard people saying about it? Fudge states some in the UPC spoke of filing a lawsuit.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Reader

Would it help you to discover that Fudge calls Fisher, Lewis, etc. heretics as they did differ from the established UPC beliefs? Or that he says the UPC had a right to take action?

He did contact people on both sides, including Bernard.

(to aegsm76)

That does help...
At least it gives an appearance of balance...

[Reader]

Good. Fudge was influenced by Fisher and left the UPC around when these incidents transpired. He is open about this and the difficulties in using oral history. Does he agree with what happened? I do not believe so, but that doesn't mean he cannot accurately tell what happened. He is not a hater of the UPC in my eyes.

[Steve Epley]

Would it matter if some died from aids involved?

[AR Pastor]

I read Fudge's first book. won't waste my time or money on his second.

[Reader]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Would it matter if some died from aids involved?

He does include this about Fisher in the book. He appears to try and show warts and all and not only play up what may be considered good.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Would it matter if some died from aids involved?

Would it matter that some were demonized because that they happen to believe the PCI view, and were unable to do their job because they were constantly being called on the carpet by those officials that were imports into the Northwestern (PCI) culture? Maybe they were driven mad by those that should have given positive support and leadership, instead they withheld financial support from a college that had fielded the majority of foreign missionaries since 1953.

There doesn't seem to be any evidence of what you speak until the above had gone on for years? These imports were self appointed missionaries to folks that were accepted in the merger, but were unacceptable afterward, marginalized because they supposedly were "weak on the message." I heard that statement often during my childhood, didn't have a clue as to what it really meant.