Kim Davis

[n david]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Yep that is just what Paul did, as he was being jailed and whipped for the Gospel. The others were marching for his rights as a follower of the way.

That's cute.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Yep that is just what Paul did, as he was being jailed and whipped for the Gospel. The others were marching for his rights as a follower of the way.

Don't worry we will probably see similar days. This controversy is stoking the flames. Government has already chosen their side. Kim Davis is being torn apart. What will we do when this issue comes to the church near us?

[houston]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Yep that is just what Paul did, as he was being jailed and whipped for the Gospel. The others were marching for his rights as a follower of the way.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by n david

I've posted to my social networks and networked with other contacts in UPC, PAW and other nondenom churches to notify in the event of a protest or march on the State Capital.

IMO, Christians should take a page from the black lives matter group and disrupt everything -- from traffic to shopping at malls, to ball games, etc.

And yes, I would join any one of those types of protests.

I think you are at a disadvantage because the scriptures don't teach civil disobedience. You are to pray, and that God will help YOU live in peace in the world where you live (Romans 12:17-21). May I suggest you work harder to convert people to the Gospel, so in that way they will not want a world where homosexuality is acceptable behavior.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I think you are at a disadvantage because the scriptures don't teach civil disobedience. You are to pray, and that God will help YOU live in peace in the world where you live (Romans 12:17-21). May I suggest you work harder to convert people to the Gospel, so in that way they will not want a world where homosexuality is acceptable behavior.

Yes, I am to pray. And I do pray for our leaders and officials, local, state and federal. I also appreciate your suggestion.

But I will not stand idly by and allow this to go unchecked.

Yes, the Bible says there will come persecution, but it does not say to stand idly by and allow it to happen.

[Aquila]

This has been a fiasco.

I think religious individuals need to count the cost when considering employment or a career. If for some reason it begins to violate their conscience, they do well to resign peacefully and take their stand in that manner.

Certainly, a Muslim shouldn't apply for a job like working in a deli at Kroger's where they will be cutting, serving, and providing pork products. It is simply the cost of their faith. A Christian might not want to maintain or apply for a job in a casino. What about Christians who work for convenience stores that also sell alcohol, cigarettes, Playboy, and perhaps even more hardcore adult entertainment? If these things violate their conscience, should they not perhaps seek employment elsewhere?

Essentially a Christian's loyalty to their faith has a cost. They can either take a stand pay that cost afterwards (as with Kim Davis)... or they can count that cost up front and perhaps save themselves a significant amount of emotional (and perhaps even financial) anguish.

Being a Christian means that some jobs or career fields might simply be below your moral threshold. If your church teaches against violence, perhaps serving in law enforcement or the military isn't for you. If your church teaches that homosexuality is a moral sin, perhaps being a county clerk that issues marriage licenses isn't for you. If your faith has strict sexual ethics, perhaps working in an establishment that provides adult materials isn't for you. If your church teaches against drinking and/or smoking, perhaps working in a place that provides those products isn't for you.

If you are a devout Christian and you currently serve in an occupation that includes, or provides, any of the listed services or products above... you should either find a way to reconcile it with your conscience or resign peacefully. You still make your statement. Either way, you have to take control and do what is best for you and your religous faith.

Count the cost.

What is a greater witness? Living peaceably and counting the cost up front... or taking a divisive and/or insubordinate stand and counting that cost after the fact?

Either way, you'll pay the cost.

She is going to pay the cost for her civil disobedience. Often loyalty to Christ has a cost, and we embrace that. I think this will highlight the issue of religious conscience in society. I can only hope that churches will lay down the line and explain that some jobs are simply not for the Christian.

Matthew 10:16 (ESV)
“Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves."

Romans 12:18 (ESV)
If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

This has been a fiasco.

I think religious individuals need to count the cost when considering employment or a career. If for some reason it begins to violate their conscience, they do well to resign peacefully and take their stand in that manner.

Certainly, a Muslim shouldn't apply for a job like working in a deli at Kroger's where they will be cutting, serving, and providing pork products. It is simply the cost of their faith. A Christian might not want to maintain or apply for a job in a casino. What about Christians who work for convenience stores that also sell alcohol, cigarettes, Playboy, and perhaps even more hardcore adult entertainment? If these things violate their conscience, should they not perhaps seek employment elsewhere?

Essentially a Christian's loyalty to their faith has a cost. They can either take a stand pay that cost afterwards (as with Kim Davis)... or they can count that cost up front and perhaps save themselves a significant amount of emotional (and perhaps even financial) anguish.

Being a Christian means that some jobs or career fields might simply be below your moral threshold. If your church teaches against violence, perhaps serving in law enforcement or the military isn't for you. If your church teaches that homosexuality is a moral sin, perhaps being a county clerk that issues marriage licenses isn't for you. If your faith has strict sexual ethics, perhaps working in an establishment that provides adult materials isn't for you. If your church teaches against drinking and/or smoking, perhaps working in a place that provides those products isn't for you.

If you are a devout Christian and you currently serve in an occupation that includes, or provides, one of the listed services or products above... you should either find a way to reconcile it with your conscience or resign peacefully. You still make your statement. Either way, you have to take control and do what is best for you and your religous faith.

Count the cost.

What is a greater witness? Living peaceably and counting the cost up front... or taking a divisive stand and counting that cost after the fact?

Either way, you'll pay the cost.

As I said, she is going to pay the cost for her civil disobedience. I think this will highlight the issue of religious conscience in society. I can only hope that churches will lay down the line and explain that some jobs are simply not for the Christian.

Matthew 10:16 (ESV)
“Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves."

Romans 12:18 (ESV)
If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.

Aquila, she had the job before supreme court decision.

Arresting her made her a martyr for the cause.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Aquila, she had the job before supreme court decision.

Arresting her made her a martyr for the cause.

Imagine if a cashier worked for a convenience store. The store is eventually purchased by someone and is now therefore under new management. Now the store begins selling everything that a convenience store provides, in addition to some knew merchandise, an array of adult magazines and movies. Now our Christian cashier might have to willingly "sell" these items to patrons. Do they refuse to sell the items and not expect to be fired? Or should they resign their position and seek gainful employment elsewhere? Or do they resolve within their conscience that they are simply exchanging money, the items in purchased are solely the moral responsibility of the purchaser?

Do you think they'd have a chance at suing for their job back if they refused to sell the adult merchandise? Of course not.

They do well to take the initiative by resigning and seeking gainful employment elsewhere.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Imagine if a cashier worked for a convenience store. The store is eventually purchased by someone and is now therefore under new management. Now the store begins selling everything that a convenience store provides, in addition to some knew merchandise, an array of adult magazines and movies. Now our Christian cashier might have to willingly "sell" these items to patrons. Do they refuse to sell the items and not expect to be fired? Or should they resign their position and seek gainful employment elsewhere? Or do they resolve within their conscience that they are simply exchanging money, the items in purchased are solely the moral responsibility of the purchaser?

Do you think they'd have a chance at suing for their job back if they refused to sell the adult merchandise? Of course not.

They do well to take the initiative by resigning and seeking gainful employment elsewhere.

Apples and bowling balls. Not really comparable, IMO.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Imagine if a cashier worked for a convenience store. The store is eventually purchased by someone and is now therefore under new management. Now the store begins selling everything that a convenience store provides, in addition to some knew merchandise, an array of adult magazines and movies. Now our Christian cashier might have to willingly "sell" these items to patrons. Do they refuse to sell the items and not expect to be fired? Or should they resign their position and seek gainful employment elsewhere? Or do they resolve within their conscience that they are simply exchanging money, the items in purchased are solely the moral responsibility of the purchaser?

Do you think they'd have a chance at suing for their job back if they refused to sell the adult merchandise? Of course not.

They do well to take the initiative by resigning and seeking gainful employment elsewhere.

There are 79 countries were homosexuality is illegal, and other countries which don't recognize homosexual marriage. So, just like leaving a job, it may come a day when this place will no longer be compatible for Christian living? I would hate to think that, but I hope Apostolics start getting some prayer going.