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Monterrey · #71 10-25-2015, 05:28 PM

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I am sure you can find the word "all" about 500 times in the Bible, and make quite a mess of the passage in Jeremiah.

The preterists' "calling" is to do this very thing.

They set for to make this passage.....Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Say this....
Romans 11:26 And so some of Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Hey, whatever floats your preterist boat!

So you believe, I mean really believe, that every person who calls themselves a Jew will be saved? On the Basis of that Scripture?

When even in the first century, when God in flesh walked the earth, that many forsook Him?

Sean, again, you are being unreasonable and not using good exogesis to study.

Sean · #72 10-25-2015, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Monterrey

So you believe, I mean really believe, that every person who calls themselves a Jew will be saved? On the Basis of that Scripture?

When even in the first century, when God in flesh walked the earth, that many forsook Him?

Sean, again, you are being unreasonable and not using good exogesis to study.

I believe the ones that JESUS calls a Jew are the devout ones of various types, in the Middle East today.

Jesus considers these scattered converts to Judaism, Jews.

Just like others that were converted in the O.T.

They cannot keep the Law properly, but Jesus will return and write His Spiritual Laws in their hearts.

Jesus, our Lord, will fix the broken things, and make the wrong things right.

Monterrey · #73 10-26-2015, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean

I believe the ones that JESUS calls a Jew are the devout ones of various types, in the Middle East today.

Jesus considers these scattered converts to Judaism, Jews.

Just like others that were converted in the O.T.

They cannot keep the Law properly, but Jesus will return and write His Spiritual Laws in their hearts.

Jesus, our Lord, will fix the broken things, and make the wrong things right.

Yep. He did that through the Holy Ghost and the church. I am glad we agree.

God Bless

Sean · #74 10-26-2015, 02:11 PM

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Yep. He did that through the Holy Ghost and the church. I am glad we agree.

God Bless

Amen, you too

Evang.Benincasa · #75 10-26-2015, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

I believe the ones that JESUS calls a Jew are the devout ones of various types, in the Middle East today.

Jesus considers these scattered converts to Judaism, Jews.

Just like others that were converted in the O.T.

They cannot keep the Law properly, but Jesus will return and write His Spiritual Laws in their hearts.

Jesus, our Lord, will fix the broken things, and make the wrong things right.

That's what He and His apostles did the first time, and having Him do it again is a mockery. All races, faiths, and nations have full access to the Kingdom of God right now. No special group has to be born and await some futurist new Gospel preached in a far off Millennial kingdom. Jews can be saved now, Rabbinical Judaism is the same as Mormonism, and you are admitting the Jews today are all converts? Good job, you are almost there Sean.

Sean · #76 10-27-2015, 07:35 AM

Nah, when Jesus physically returns to save Israel, they will be surrounded by nations and crying out for help.

This is also how the Lord likes to reveal Himself, even to us in our despair.....

The following situation is the scenario that the Bible depicts, when Jesus returns to earth to save Israel, as He promised their fathers in the O.T......

Zechariah 14King James Version (KJV)

14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

shazeep · #77 10-27-2015, 08:28 AM

my biggest issue with such a literal view--disregarding the complete lack of humility, of course--is that it seems to me that you will be forced into the position of defending Israel, the country at some point; blood sacrifices and all. Do you consider yourself a Zionist?

Sean · #78 10-27-2015, 08:31 AM

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my biggest issue with such a literal view--disregarding the complete lack of humility, of course--is that it seems to me that you will be forced into the position of defending Israel, the country at some point; blood sacrifices and all. Do you consider yourself a Zionist?

No, just a believe the word of God-ist

shazeep · #79 10-27-2015, 08:41 AM

another non-answer? ok

Evang.Benincasa · #80 10-27-2015, 08:22 PM

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No, just a believe the word of God-ist

Sean, you can't answer the question, either because you A don't know what the poster is asking you, or B that you have absolutely no idea how the question applies to what is being discussed? Sean, that would mean you would ask for clarification. yet, you don't do that either, because you don't want to clarify anything, you want to beat your little tin drum, and make believe you are winning an argument for God. Sean, go find Jesus.